Montgomery County, Md. fire apparatus

brucobuff

Assistant Chief
Chevy Chase
193? Seagrave

Sandy Spring
1949 Mack Type 45 500 GPM

Upper Montgomery Co.
1952 Mack A 750GPM

Hyattstown
A small squad on a 1948-53 Chevy truck chassis, looks like a rechassied telephone repair truck. Never saw a pic of this by itself before!
 

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boardmansteve

District Chief
brucobuff said:
Here are some old pics of a parade in Damascus,MD. back in the early 1950s. The apparatus definitely reflect a slower pace of activity.

Rockville:
Ambo with whitewalls?
1932? Mack Model BG 500 GPM
1951 Mack A-series 750gpm
1950 Superior/Cadillac
 

wvrs158

Probie
Apparatus rosters/Rusty Gill

I am expanding my never ending quest to include MCMD apparatus rosters. Thank you to the small number of my fellow obsessor's... er, I mean collectors... who have contributed thus far. I'm sure there are an even greater number of you out there that have MCMD apparatus in your collections, and if you've taken the time to research and document all the juicy details, I would love to obtain copies of your rosters. As you're aware, details vary from photo to photo, slide to slide, photographer to photographer, source to source and roster to roster for the same and similar (twins, triplets, quadruplets, etc.) apparatus. I'm looking to compare the details you've gathered (model years, serial/job numbers, capacities, unit designations, previous owners, subsequent owners, repaints, rebuilds, etc.) to mine. I'd be particularly interested in acquiring (or obtaining copies of) a set of roster books produced by the late Rusty Gill. Please reach out to me if you've got anything from the 1950's-1990's to share. Thank you.

Ray
wvrs158@hotmail.com
 

brucobuff

Assistant Chief
Ray, are you aware of the fire flea market next Sunday, 4/8/18 at MT. Airy VFC's activity center? mavfc.org
 

wvrs158

Probie
Warren,
I recently saw mention of a Montgomery County "rescue squad designated Chief 56 used 1980s" by the Defense Mapping Agency. Can you tell me anything about it?
Ray
 

wvrs158

Probie
Any Rockville/Mack historians out there?

I'm trying to catalog a number of 35mm slides and I have a question about the set of (4) solid red 1969-1970 Mack R engines.

As best I can tell, two were repainted red/white in 1982.
One (possibly serial number 1002) kept it's original (2) round headlights, with it's clear beacon being replaced with a mini bar in very short order.
The other (believed to be serial number 1004) ended up with (4) square headlights, wide clear turn signals, and a mini bar on top.

Another (possibly serial number 1003) was repainted red/white in 1987, ending up with (4) square headlights, thin amber turn signals, a mini bar on top, and a new Ward 79 body with tall compartments on the drivers side.

I'm hoping someone might be able to confirm or correct these details, as the variety of unit numbers on the slide mounts aren't matching up with the state/company plates, which in many cases are not clearly/entirely visible.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thank you.

Ray
 

brucobuff

Assistant Chief
1st of 24 new engines for Montgomery County. Hopefully these will hold up better than the fleet of 10 yr. old Spartans.
Note the proper type of siren on the front bumper, no more West coast whiners.
Thanx to Jeff Mogush for the tip/pic.
 

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Engine 16 Box Responses
Staff member
New Seagrave Aerialscope for Rockville Sta. 3.
Never thought I would see another Scope at the "Rock"
Of course this rig will have to measure itself against the original beast that left town almost 25 years ago...
From what I've seen and heard of late Seagrave sales have improved quite a bit over the last couple of years, mostly at the expense of their competitor in Appleton as there seems to have been a downturn in quality at Pierce.
 

bulldogboy

Lieutenant
The Hudson, NH Fire Department has purchased apparatus from different manufacturers over the years; ALF, Pierce, KME. The department has purchased three new Seagraves, two engines and a 100' ladder, in the last two years. The ladder was just delivered. Seeing more Seagraves being delivered in the Boston suburbs lately.
 

Tillerman1664

Firefighter
So, I am posting my beloved "Sally" for which I served on for 15 years. She was a 1984 Seagrave 100' TDA. She was permanently sent to reserve fleet when Bethesda Station 6 received the 2009 Pierce Arrow XT 100' TDA.
"Sally" first saw service as Rockville Truck 3 replacing a Pirsch TDA. Bethesda was slated to receive a new 1989 Seagrave RA110, when the corporations of Bethesda and Rockville made an agreement to trade. She was rehabbed at some point I believe by Interstate with the biggest change of an enclosed crew compartment on the tractor.
She was transferred to Washington D.C. on 9-11 to be rerouted to the Pentagon on the third alarm.
This 1984 TDA is to my knowledge the longest front line truck that served M.C.F.R.. She went to the P.S.T.A. for a while and then disposed of. Here are some of the pictures I have, the last one is one of my favorites.

Picture #4 by Warren Jenkins
Pictures #1,2,5, and 6, By Marshall Moneymaker

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Tillerman1664

Firefighter
Any Rockville/Mack historians out there?

I'm trying to catalog a number of 35mm slides and I have a question about the set of (4) solid red 1969-1970 Mack R engines.

As best I can tell, two were repainted red/white in 1982.
One (possibly serial number 1002) kept it's original (2) round headlights, with it's clear beacon being replaced with a mini bar in very short order.
The other (believed to be serial number 1004) ended up with (4) square headlights, wide clear turn signals, and a mini bar on top.

Another (possibly serial number 1003) was repainted red/white in 1987, ending up with (4) square headlights, thin amber turn signals, a mini bar on top, and a new Ward 79 body with tall compartments on the drivers side.

I'm hoping someone might be able to confirm or correct these details, as the variety of unit numbers on the slide mounts aren't matching up with the state/company plates, which in many cases are not clearly/entirely visible.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thank you.

Ray
It's a bit of a tough one when all four were the same at some point. I would have to research by the vins to get the correct info.

Picture number 1 is 311 Travila
Picture number 2 is 231-2
Pictures 3 and 4 must be 31 and 331 Photos by Warren Jenkins

I think the one with the new body went to 33 as a rescue type engine, because at the time there was a lot of area around Potomac that needed a rescue tool.


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brucobuff

Assistant Chief
So, I am posting my beloved "Sally" for which I served on for 15 years. She was a 1984 Seagrave 100' TDA. She was permanently sent to reserve fleet when Bethesda Station 6 received the 2009 Pierce Arrow XT 100' TDA.
"Sally" first saw service as Rockville Truck 3 replacing a Pirsch TDA. Bethesda was slated to receive a new 1989 Seagrave RA110, when the corporations of Bethesda and Rockville made an agreement to trade. She was rehabbed at some point I believe by Interstate with the biggest change of an enclosed crew compartment on the tractor.
She was transferred to Washington D.C. on 9-11 to be rerouted to the Pentagon on the third alarm.
This 1984 TDA is to my knowledge the longest front line truck that served M.C.F.R.. She went to the P.S.T.A. for a while and then disposed of. Here are some of the pictures I have, the last one is one of my favorites.

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Photo #4 is mine, taken in 1992 @ BCCRS
 

brucobuff

Assistant Chief
It's a bit of a tough one when all four were the same at some point. I would have to research by the vins to get the correct info.

Picture number 1 is 311 Travila
Picture number 2 is 231-2
Pictures 3 and 4 must be 31 and 331

I think the one with the new body went to 33 as a rescue type engine, because at the time there was a lot of area around Potomac that needed a rescue tool.


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Photos 3 and 4 taken by me, 1991 county convention
 

brucobuff

Assistant Chief
This book has some interesting apparatus stories regarding various Rockville rigs, including the "frying" of RVFD's 1966 Pirsch tiller by power lines, how to bring under control a wildly fishtailing Mack R model engine going through a yard, and having a tailboard full of vollies, and the story of the only rig that the house firedog could ride.004.jpg
 

Tillerman1664

Firefighter
SET 1 was a 1980 GMC/Swab, sorry no photo...
Here is the only picture I have of the first SETT 1. It was later replaced with the Ford from Laytonsville that was SU17 and later RS17.
I was assigned to station 15 where the Ford was housed under the team leader Capt Moody. We set up The Ford as SETT 1 Captain Moody and I were the last two to take the Ford on a working incident - a water rescue in Sandy Spring. The SETT team was absorbed into USAR and the Water Rescue Team, which all now fall under Special Ops.

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brucobuff

Assistant Chief
Here is the only picture I have of the first SETT 1. It was later replaced with the Ford from Laytonsville that was SU17 and later RS17.
I was assigned to station 15 where the Ford was housed under the team leader Capt Moody. We set up The Ford as SETT 1 Captain Moody and I were the last two to take the Ford on a working incident - a water rescue in Sandy Spring. The SETT team was absorbed into USAR and the Water Rescue Team, which all now fall under Special Ops.

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old squad 17, now there's a rig with some history...
 

brucobuff

Assistant Chief
Here's a favorite that may have gotten away...
after many decades of Seagrave and Pirsch engines, Chevy Chase FD surprised many by obtaining this 1979 Mack CF 1250/500/40 in the slime flavor, rather than CCFD' previous school-bus yellow.
However the rig proved its worth, and after replacement in 1991 went to the training academy, where Mike Sanders caught it in the mid-1990's.
Donated in the spring of 1997 to the Seneca Rocks VFD, AFAIK it ran for a short time and was replaced.004.jpg
 
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