Detroit, Michigan

FAO25

Captain
GTW6401 said:
7-16-11
Box Alarm at Spokane and Beechwood
Fire in a 4 Unit Apartment Building

Engines 42,34,39,10 Ladder 21 Squad 4 Chief 5
Nice Pic. My guess would be, vacant at time of the fire?
 

RDW

Captain
Looking for information and any advice about Detroit, where's the best area for the most action in Detroit? What are the frequencies for Detroit? Are they on digital? I know Detroit is Detroit so no I don't plan on nightime action. When getting pics at fire scenes do large crowds gather? I'm looking for information so I can plan for IF I want to visit Detroit. I'm planning on attending the muster in Frankenmuth in July and I'm just looking for information so I can plan what I want to all get into. Thanks for any information you can provide. If you don't want to write it here, please feel free to send me a private message.


Sitting here listening now to Detroit on the computer, sounds like they are dealing with high wiinds. They are running multiple calls for wires down.
 

GTW6401

Firefighter
Box Alarm - Packard Plant
March 25, 2012

Standing order is for all fires in the Packard Plant to be defensive only due to condition of the building.
 

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GTW6401

Firefighter
The reason they don't go into the Packard Plant anymore is that the entire complex is vacant, full of garbage and other debris. Multiple parts of the complex have collapsed. It should tell you something if Detroit firefighters wont go into the building considering how offensive minded they are.

Another issue is that many people like to come down from the suburbs and wander around Packard taking photos, tagging or people stripping to find parts for scrap. Detroit Police were removing people from the building across the street during last nights fire, which was mostly just trash burning on the 3rd floor, but generated a lot of smoke which brought people out of the woodwork. Some made it upstairs and were breaking glass, which luckily didn't come crashing down to the sidewalk below. There are many interior shots from Packard on sites like Flickr if you want to see what inside is like.
 

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hfdcap

Probie
I was thinking the truck may have been angeled and the other outrigger was out of sight..guess not. Glad it did not make a headline of the wth kind
 

Jeff_Christner

Lieutenant
Looking right next to the driver's side you can see the white and black outline of the driver's side outrigger, it has the same pattern as the officer's side one, if it was shortjacked it would be out of sight I think, I think just due to the angle you can't see it clearly.

Jeff
 

FAO25

Captain
GTW6401 said:
The reason they don't go into the Packard Plant anymore is that the entire complex is vacant, full of garbage and other debris. Multiple parts of the complex have collapsed. It should tell you something if Detroit firefighters wont go into the building considering how offensive minded they are.

Another issue is that many people like to come down from the suburbs and wander around Packard taking photos, tagging or people stripping to find parts for scrap. Detroit Police were removing people from the building across the street during last nights fire, which was mostly just trash burning on the 3rd floor, but generated a lot of smoke which brought people out of the woodwork. Some made it upstairs and were breaking glass, which luckily didn't come crashing down to the sidewalk below. There are many interior shots from Packard on sites like Flickr if you want to see what inside is like.
I agree with GTW6401.
I would support the reasons why Detroit has made limited interior operations at the Packard Plant an order with the following...

http://detroitphoto1.smugmug.com/Detroit-Fire/DFD/9464923_LFjWnj#!i=635039399&k=UGDST

http://www.dffa344.org/index.cfm?zone=/unionactive/view_article.cfm&HomeID=238353

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Avis=C4&Dato=20120312&Kategori=NEWS&Lopenr=203120801&Ref=PH

http://www.usfa.fema.gov/downloads/pdf/publications/tr-003.pdf

If you can find the Firehouse or Fire Engineering articles on this fire, READ them. If you can find the video, watch it.
Vacant or abandoned buildings are not always empty buildings. Some times the fire load is incredible. When these buildings are abanoned they are not always cleaned out by the owners or tenants.

Please note the date this fire occured.

Rest in Peace :'(
 

FAO25

Captain
For those of you with an interest in the history of the D.F.D. I submit the following...

http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015071309804
 
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