Detroit, MI Fire Department

dcmkris

Lieutenant
2002 Ford F350 Tactical Rescue & Haz Mat trailer. This is likely to be replaced by 1 of the 6 new Spartan/SVI walk in heavy rescues to be delivered starting in March 03.

This is apparatus #249 delivered in 2002 it is a American LaFrance Metropolitian not sure about engine # as DFD Apparatus does that decal. Photo credit ALF web page.

Note from Box 2565 - Image lost during site update.
 

daysleeper47

Deputy Chief
I remember reading, I think in Firehouse or on Firehouse.com that Detroit was having quite a problem with aging fire trucks. I seem to remember a huge study was done regarding the overall effectiveness of the DFD. Overall, how are they doing to fix this problem? I see many new trucks posted here, but does this represent a large portion of the DFD fleet? Thanks in advance.
 

dcmkris

Lieutenant
Joe you probably read that about 2-3 years ago when media attention was at its peak. For the most part the DFD average age was around 10-15 years and seriously falling apart. DFD has done a great job on new acquisitions since then. Some of this is because of the men who would not let this issue rest in media and also good work by former Mayor Archer and top DFD people. I will admit without the media things would not have changed.

As of today the biggest problem is rotating Co. shut downs due to budget constraints. Most of this is due to major overtime. But without new recruiting classes it's hard not to have major overtime. Supposedly a new recruiting class will start in Sept. we'll wait and see, that should alleviate some of the overtime. The other thing is that DFD fireboat is not being used once again due to budget constraints. This after Ford Motor Co paid over 1 million to refurbish her just a few years ago. The city of Windsor has offered to man her and pay for all costs but this will not happen, too much red tape. (Also most DFD people don't want Windsor to touch their boat. Better for her to sit and rot.)

As for apparatus things are much better. With the last truck order o f15 the dept.’s largest truck order in history. There are now no front line trucks older than 4 years and there is even one spare that's a 2001. The other spares are all around 96 era.

The engines are a little different but most are fairly new. I'll have to look it up but half of them are at least 2001 or newer this number may be higher. I know that the X-rig fleet is made up of 92 & 94 Spartan Quality's so I would say there are no front line units older than 1994.

The Rescues are all scheduled to be replaced this year with Spartan/SVI trucks. 3 of them are finished with 2 more to go. They should arrive soon.
 

dcmkris

Lieutenant
More on DFD Engines. Ok I went thru my stuff and this is what I have on the engines.

3=1992 Spartan/Quality
2=1993 Spartan/Quality
7=1995 KME
4=1998 HME/Ferrara
1=1999 Oshkosh T-1500 (City Airport)
14=2000 ALF
5=2002 Pierce
1=1986 Sutphen Quint (I have not checked it out but I'm pretty sure this
now an X-rig and they have a 2002 Sutphen Quint)

I have not talked to anyone at DFD lately but I would assume from how much they love the Pierce units and how much they hate the ALF stuff that all future orders will go to Pierce. I would also suspect that most of the pre 2000 units would be disposed of in the next few years. Of course one can never been sure with our beloved city government and how they had out budgets to the departments.
 

Box 2565

C.F.D. Engine 14
Staff member
Detroit Fire Department

Detroit MI Ladder 18
2003 Pierce
60 HP/300 Tank/100' Aerial
Serial #13909-04 Model: Dash
Shop #380
Steve Hagy photo.
 

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C.F.D. Engine 14
Staff member
Truck 1
1992 Spartan/LTI
60 GPM/300 Tank/110' Aerial
Shop #946 Serial #91 044 98
Sitting across from the shops waiting to go to the scrapyard.
Steve Hagy photo.
 

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C.F.D. Engine 14
Staff member
Detroit - Ladder 21
2001 American LaFrance
100' Aerial
Shop #290 Serial #99 073 93
Steve Hagy photo.
 

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dcmkris

Lieutenant
Not sure what companies got the ax but this had been coming for a long time! It will be 3 ladders and 2 engines. Mayors buget calls for quite a few cuts in Fire & EMS staffing.

The commissioner says no fire house will be completely closed. I wonder who in the mayors office came up with this brilliant strategy. It's a nice way to make it look like the deactivitions won't really affect anyone. Becuse let's face it the firefighters are still there. And if thier still in the house how can your protection be affected? I know the firefighters are just thrilled that the comiss thinks that no ones safety will be at risk.

Oh well this is what Detroit gets for electing the mayor and council they have. I Pray no one pays the ultimate price for it though.

Alarms Sound Over Fire Cuts in Detroit

SALINA ALI
Detroit Free Press via Associated Press

Many Detroit residents and firefighters said they thought Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick's proposal to shut down five fire companies and lay off 41 firefighters was outrageous.

But now recommendations to the City Council have many sounding alarms.

The council, looking to close a projected $300-million deficit in the city budget, is eyeing $15 million in additional cuts to the Fire Department operations budget and $7 million in salary reductions.

That could mean a total of 147 firefighters would be laid off and 10 fire companies would be deactivated.

Neither of the plans would close any fire stations.

"We tried to use a laser, but City Council used a hatchet," Deputy Mayor Anthony Adams said Monday, referring to the decision on budget cuts.

The council also is looking at recommendations that would cut $54 million from the Police Department as it looks to cut the deficit.

Council members say the plan presented by the mayor is so full of holes, they have no confidence that it will be balanced.

They say they have little choice but to try to come up with a revised budget that will get the city through the next year.

"This would be horrible for our community," Kilpatrick said Monday at a news conference. "The decisions I made in my budget did not come easy. But you can't cut with an ax."

Adams, Fire Commissioner Tyrone Scott and Police Chief Ella Bully-Cummings met with council members Monday to discuss the council's proposed cuts. Bully-Cummings and Scott implored the council not to make additional cuts to their departments, which they said are already working with minimal funding.

Meanwhile, members of the Detroit Fire Fighters Association Local 344 spoke out against the proposed cuts at a news conference in front of two burned houses at Elm and Harrison in southwest Detroit. The neighborhood has been the target of arsonists.

State Rep. Steve Tobocman, D-Detroit, who along with area residents joined union members at the news conference, said the city needs to seek alternative budget cuts.

"There is not a lot of fat to trim, but fire services are a matter of life and death, and it's absolutely critical that the city have the resources to respond," Tobocman said.

John Nagy, a 50-year resident of southwest Detroit, said the area needs more, not fewer, firefighters and equipment because of a nearby Marathon oil refinery and heavily industrial Zug Island.

"If these places were ever to catch fire, it would be disastrous to southwest Detroit," he said.

Fresh on the minds of some residents were the fires that swept through five structures in Highland Park on Friday. That city had to rely on Detroit and suburban districts to battle the fires.

"We don't have the fire apparatus and fire equipment," said Lois Koehler, 65, a lifelong resident of southwest Detroit. "They're going to lay off these men when I hear there aren't enough men at fire stations now."

Councilwoman Barbara-Rose Collins and other council members say police and fire have to be looked at because about a third of the city's budget is spent in these public safety departments.

Distributed by the Associated Press

Kris
 

dcmkris

Lieutenant
DFD batteled one of the biggest fire I can remmember since the Uniroyal plant (Well I'm not sure it was uniroyal but it was a tire plant went up in the 80's) last night.

The fire was a 5 alarm, 1 city block long and aprox 200-300 feet deep the building was shaped like an "E". Loacated at John R and Piquette. The building housed a furniture auction house, meat market but was mostly empty.

It was originally the home of EMF automobiles, then Sutedbaker automobiles, Military parts during WW2 and MI National Guard 50-70's aprox.

The building was a complete loss with the FD taking up a defensive stance from the very first engine response. Wish I would have had a tape going for the scanner at the time very active!

Anyway here are some links to the coverage, I have some photos from this morning but they are slides and will take about a week to get them back. Maybe fcdan has some photos.

http://www.detnews.com/2005/metro/0506/21/B01-222684.htm

http://www.freep.com/news/locway/webfire21e_20050621.htm

http://www.freep.com/photos/2005/fire_0621/index.htm

VIDEO

http://www.detnow.com/

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/4634645/detail.html

This may or may not be related to the 5 alarmer that DFD responded to in Highland Park as mutual aid back in May. Hamtramck, Bingham Farms, and Royal Oak also responded to help HPFD. Some links to that story which was determined to be arson. As far as I know no one has been charged in the HP fires.

http://www.freep.com/news/locway/fire14e_20050514.htm

http://cms.firehouse.com/content/article/article.jsp?sectionId=46&id=41745

http://www.detnews.com/2005/metro/0505/14/1met-180980.htm

VIDEO
http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/4485057/detail.html


Kris
 

Box 2565

C.F.D. Engine 14
Staff member
Engine 50
2000 American LaFrance
1250 GPM - 500 Tank
Shop #245 Serial #G 81222
Steve Hagy photo.
 

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C.F.D. Engine 14
Staff member
Detroit

Truck 23
2003 Pierce
60 HP - 300 Tank - 100' Aerial
#13909-05 Model: Dash
Steve Hagy photo.
 

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C.F.D. Engine 14
Staff member
Engine 58
2002 Pierce
1250 GPM - 500 Tank - 30 Foam
Serial #13878-04
This photo shows "The Bundle"! Steve Hagy photo.
 

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C.F.D. Engine 14
Staff member
Detroit

Engine 55
2000 American LaFrance
1250 GPM - 500 Tank
Shop #257
Steve Hagy photo.
 

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C.F.D. Engine 14
Staff member
Engine 17
1998 HME/Ferrara
1250 GPM - 500 Tank
Shop #220 Serail #H 1107
Steve Hagy photo.
 

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C.F.D. Engine 14
Staff member
Detroit

Ladder 16
2005 Pierce
60 HP/300 Tank/100' Aerial
Shop #481 #15923-01 Model: Dash
Steve Hagy photo.

This view shows the booster system that is present on all DFD ladders. Truck 23 was operating with this apparatus when photographed as Truck 16 is one of 6 companies that are out of service almost every day due to lack of staffing. In addition to the companies OOS for lack of staffing there were 5 additional companies thta were out of service when we were in the Motor City last weekend as they had no apparatus to assign to them.
 

daysleeper47

Deputy Chief
Is Detroit hiring? I would loooove to work for them! ;D

Well, I suppose I would get my share of fire. Assuming I had a piece to get to the fire.
 

Box 2565

C.F.D. Engine 14
Staff member
Engine 46

Engine 46
1995 KME
1250 GPM - 500 Tank
#2505 Shop #101
Steve Hagy photo.

Actually Joe, DFD is currently in the process of rehiring their last recruit class. They had all been layed off and are being brought back in groups of 10 and sent for some type of refresher training (remember - this is the sound of automatic gunfire - duck and cover when you hear this sound) at the Fire Academy. The fire load in some neighborhoods is unbelieveable. As much as is made about how busy FDNY is, I would venture to say that Detroit is actually going to more working fires per day than any fire department I'm aware of.

In some of the busier areas having a 24-hour tour with 6 or 8 workers falls into the commonplace, if not slow category. Many of the firefighters that I've spoken to over the last couple of years say that a tour with 10-15 working fires (I don't mean rubbish in the hallway or standing by outside - I'm talking fire blowing out the windows on arrival) happens with enough frequency that it isn't considered anything out of the ordinary.

Because of the extremely bad financial situation that the city is facing, there are real possibilities that if the court decision comes down in favor of the City, that closing those 6 companies on a permanent basis will only be the begining. If you added 20 engines and 10 trucks to the DFD today, they would be understaffed for the volume of fire runs they receive. One of the most incredible things that I keep hearing is that the city administration doesn't believe that the fire department is doing enough and should begin responding to EMS runs! There are companies in Detroit that are lucky to have time to stop by the station and have a meal and they want to add EMS to this workload!

When driving through Detroit (always in a group - alone is not safe, and in a group is not always safe) you can see in what remains of the city just how beautiful this town was, that the wealth of a healthy automobile industry with factories all around the area brought prosperity to the citizens. The town is genuinely sad now and for the most part it is because of the greed of the Boards of the auto companies as the U.S. plants have been closed so that foreign labor can be employed for 38 cents an hour. As bad as the decline of Detroit has been I see that city as a model of what many towns in the northeast and midwest will become. Enough of my speech.
 

daysleeper47

Deputy Chief
Excellent post, Steve. I knew Detroit ran fires, but I had no idea it was to that extent. I personally have never been to Detroit but have several friends from the city whose comments echo a lot of what you said. That being said, I hope that Youngstown can be a model for old manufacturing towns, not Detroit. If you come over and see some of the things they are doing with our city to revitalize it, you would be amazed knowing where we came from just five years ago.
 
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