American Lafrance Database

rogerpete

Firefighter
The American LaFrance data base including all of John Peckham's info and more is now online at

http://www.spaamfaa.org/truckDATA/search.php

This site will be connected to the SPAAFMAA web site. Thanks to Paul Romano and Ag Soderbeck for this work.

:)
 

Engine33Truck

Assistant Chief
Can you find out a few things about that list? I'm from Fayetteville, WV and I'd love to see pictures of the 1949 American LaFrance that they used to own, no pictures seem to exist in the hands of FFD. And I'm a Keyser firefighter and I'm confused as to why the second American LaFrance we purchased is listed as S/O and crossed off when we still have her and use her as a parade rig? As well as why she's listed as a 1931 when our build records state that it was built in 1932?
 

wfd44

Firefighter
American LaFrance
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
American LaFrance

Formation 1873
Type Fire apparatus manufacturer
Headquarters Summerville, South Carolina
Website http://www.americanlafrance.com/
American LaFrance (ALF) is an emergency and vocational vehicle manufacturer, currently based in Summerville, South Carolina. Focusing primarily on emergency apparatus fire engines and fire aerial including ambulance and rescue vehicles.
Contents [hide]
1 History
2 Products
2.1 Chassis
2.2 Emergency apparatus
2.3 Vocational application
2.4 Historic vehicles
3 Further reading
4 See also
5 External links
[edit]History

One of the oldest and most famous fire apparatus manufacturers in America is the American LaFrance Fire Engine Company. With roots that go back to approximately 1832, the companies that went on to become American LaFrance built hand-drawn, horse-drawn, and steam-powered fire engines. Founded in 1873 by Truckson LaFrance and his partners as the LaFrance Manufacturing Company selling hand powered equipment. The International Fire Engine Company, corporate predecessor of American LaFrance, built some steam power fire engines between 1903-1907. Apparatus built by International included everything from horse drawn steamers, hose wagons, and hook & ladders to chemical engines, water towers and combinations. The American LaFrance Fire Engine Company was officially formed in 1903. Its corporate offices and manufacturing plant were located in Elmira, New York. It also operated a Canadian plant in Toronto, Ontario, where it sold apparatus under the name Lafrance-Foamite, until 1971. ALF delivered its first motorized fire engine in 1907. Over the years, American LaFrance built thousands of fire trucks including chemical engines, combination pumpers, aerial ladder trucks, Aero Chief snorkel trucks, and even airport crash trucks. The classical style of the American LaFrance apparatus is easily recognized. Some of the company's innovations led to changes in the industry, most notably the cab forward style cab. The company has recently undergone a major rebirth and is once again turning out distinct custom fire trucks and other emergency vehicles.
In 1995, the company was bought by Freightliner LLC, which is a subsidiary of Daimler AG. Freightliner continued to utilize American LaFrance's original nameplates and designations including the Eagle custom chassis. Many of their Liberty products are built on Freightliner LLC M2 or Sterling Acterra chassis. ALF has additional manufacturing facilities in Ephrata, Pennsylvania, Sanford, Florida, and Hamburg, New York. As of 2005, they are the fifth largest manufacturer of emergency vehicles in North America.
In December 2005, it was announced that Freightliner had transferred the ownership of American LaFrance to the New York-based investment firm, Patriarch Partners, LLC. The headquarters and main plant in Ladson, South Carolina were not included in the transaction. However, Patriarch Partners were allowed to use the plant until early 2007, when DaimlerChrysler began using the plant for assembly of the Dodge Sprinter. Under new ownership ALF relocated within the Charleston, South Carolina metro area in summer 2007 to a brand new facility including manufacturing and corporate HQ, with close to 500,000 sq ft (50,000 m²) of total space
On January 28 2008, American LaFrance filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy blaming an ERP implementation project [1]. On July 25 2008, the company emerged from Chapter 11 bankruptcy with a revised business plan to transfer the firetruck body building portion of the business to the remaining Hamburg, NY (formerly RDMurray Inc.) and Ephrata, PA (formerly Ladder Towers Inc.) facilities. The Summerville, SC plant would continue to manufacture fire truck cab and chassis, but would increase their focus on vocational vehicles and the Condor vehicle line.
[edit]Products

Eagle
Eagle Mid-Engine
Eagle SE
Metropolitan
Commercial
Condor
[edit]Emergency apparatus
Pumpers
Aerials
Tankers
Rescues
Ambulance
Wildlands
Liberty
[edit]Vocational application
Refuse
Construction
Airport Service
General Utility
[edit]Historic vehicles
Type 1 1903-1904 Steam-powered Combination Hose & ChemicaL Wagon
Type 3 1906-1906 Packard "N" Two-Tank ChemicaL Car - only 1 built
Type 4 1909-1909 Simplex based chassis - 2 built
Type 5 1910-1911 First complete ALF motor fire apparatus - 4 cyl.
Type 6 1910-1914 LaFrance Commercial truck
Type 8 1908-1910 ALF roadster type passenger car
Type 10 1911-1920 Improved larger version of Type 5
Type 12 1911-1925 6 cyl. 800, 900 & 1000 GPM pumper
Type 14 1912-1926 City service ladder truck
Type 15 1913-1925 1400 GPM Pump and hose car
Type 16 1912-1916 Front drive aerial ladder truck
Type 17 1913-1926 Tractor drawn - aerial, water tower, ladder
Type 18 1913-1913 2-wheel front-drive steam fire engine tractor
Type 19 1915-1928 1000 GPM Pump and hose car, 6 cyl.
Type 25 1914-1914 Front drive, straight frame aerial ladder
Type 28 1915-1915 Front drive service ladder truck
Type 30 1914-1914 Front drive, bevel-gear drive water tower
Type 31 1915-1929 2-wheel front-drive tractor
Type 32 1915-1927 LaFrance/Model "T" Ford, Alf "F" series
Type 33 1917-1926 Front drive straight frame service ladder truck
Type 34 1916-1916 Centrifugal pumper
Type 38 (19??-19??) Previous entry not listed in reference source
Type 40 (19??-19??) Previous entry not listed in reference source
Type 45 (19??-19??) Previous entry not listed in reference source
Type 52 1922-1927 "Village Queen" Model "T" Ford trailer pump
Type 63 (19??-19??) Previous entry not listed in reference source
Type 65 19??-19?? 400 GPM Junior pumper
Type 75 1915-1927 750 GPM 6 cyl Pumper - large number built
Type 91 1927-1927 500 GPM Pumper - Buda-6 cycl. engine
Type 92 1927-1927 600 GPM Pumper - Buda-6 cycl. engine
Type 94 19??-19?? Service ladder truck, Buda-6 cycl.
Type 96 19??-19?? Same as Type 94 but configured as a Quad
Type 99 1927-1932 GMC Cosmopolitan, Buick 6-cyl. - see 100 series
Type 500 1941-1946 Narrow cab and body design
Type 600 1941-1946 Narrow cab and body design
100 Series 1926-1929 Metropolitan
200 Series 1929-1931 Master
300 Series 1931-1935 V-12 powered, 312A
400 Series 1933-1938 Junior 450/600/475 GPM
400 Series 1935-1940 Senior1000/1250/1500 pump-in-cowl design
500 Series 1938-1941 New enclosed streamlined design
600 Series 1941-1946 Improved 500 Series
JO/JOX Series 1938-1946 mid-mount aerial ladder - Cab-ahead
700 Series 1947-1959 Cab-ahead-of-engine design
800 Series 1956-1958 Updated 700 Series (Pumpers only)
900 Series 1958-1974 New wide-cab design
Pioneer I, II & III 1964-1978 Also Sparton I TCM flat-panel cab
Pacemaker 1973-1976 TCM canopy cab-forward
1000 Century Series 1970-1974 Premium version of 900 Series
Century Series 1974-1985 New wider cab
Century 2000 1986-1994 Redisign by Kersey/ALF
ALF Eagle 1997-present All-new custom chassis
ALF Metropolitan 1999-present Entry-level custom chassis
Freightliner Business Class, M2 2002-present Commercial chassis
 

GA_Dave

Assistant Chief
Well, they didn't leave too many off......

Type 500 narrow body version of 500 Series 1940-1942
Type 600 narrow body version of 600 Series 1942-1947
Type O-10 ARFF 1951-1955
Type O-11, O-11A, O-11B ARFF 1952-1955
Airport Chief ARFF 1963-1965
Spartan II 1978-1982
CTC 1982-1984
Pacemaker 1987-1994 (PemFab chassis)
Pioneer 90 1990-1992 (Spartan chassis)
Patriot 1992-1994

Also, there was no "1000 Century" series. It was simply the 1000 Series, produced from 1970-1974. The Century Series was produced from 1974-1992.
 

Andrew2340

FF/EMT/RT/FM
The database doesn't appear to be working, can you advise? I get an error message when I click on the link. Thanks!
 

Engine33Truck

Assistant Chief
Andrew2340 said:
The database doesn't appear to be working, can you advise? I get an error message when I click on the link. Thanks!
SPAAMFAA just redone their website not too long ago, so the link won't work. Last I checked, the database isn't back up on their site yet.
 

paulromano

Captain
The ALF database is reachable on the SPAAMFAA web site at:

http://www.spaamfaa.org/alfresources2.html

Peter West's searchable Buffalo list is also on the SPAAMFAA site at:

http://www.spaamfaa.org/buffaloresources2.html
 

X Chief 1

Firefighter
Hello All: (January 19, 2015)
We need some help - -Just today I discovered a reference to a "TYPE" 245 American La France and in another site reference was made
to a "TYPE" 285 ALF. Will someone in authoritative knowledge please provide an official American La France "Type" and "Series" identification chart - - - the chart I have (and I've seen the same chart from different sites) does not list "Types" 245 and 285! Is there confusion between "Types" and "Series somewhere along the line? My chart shows no "Types" from #100 through #499 - - - Is my chart wrong or are the several models of ALF improperly identified? It has been too many years ago that I discovered and copied my chart so I can't say where I got it.
Need some authoritative assistance in this whole ALF identification chart thing.
X Chief 1
 

GA_Dave

Assistant Chief
A "Type 245" and a "Type 285" would be Type 45 and Type 85 rigs built in the era of the 200 Series.
 

X Chief 1

Firefighter
The chart listed on #2 above is the same chart that I have - - then some dear soul enlightened us on the "245" and "285" thing. Where did that info come from? Thank you very much. While we're on the subject, need a chart for Seagrave.
X Chief 1
 

GA_Dave

Assistant Chief
I made it up! (just kidding)

I don't have any specific chart that I was going by, I simply put together all that I have read on ALF over the past 35 years. When the 100 Series was introduced, all of the two-digit designations became three-digit. For example, the Type 14 CST became the Type 114 CST, the Type 75 triple became the type 175 triple. When the 200 Series arrived, the first digit became a 2. Over the years, some models were dropped and new ones were added. This pattern continued into the 400 Series, but there were other 400's that didn't follow it. By the arrival of the 500 Series, most model designations had changed.

ALF built so many designs that a single chart showing everything they built would be a massive undertaking. There were many types designed that only one or two examples were built. In 1933, for example, ALF built two special 300 Series, 4-stage, high pressure pumpers for the FDNY. I don't know the specific model designation for them, but they were the only examples ever built.
 

X Chief 1

Firefighter
Well I think we are further ahead on the ALF Types/Series chart than we were - - thanks everyone who contributed. I think I'll continue
to use the chart I have and whenever a question comes up I'll simply come onto the boards.
X Chief1
 

Box 2565

C.F.D. Engine 14
Staff member
X Chief 1 said:
Hello All: (January 19, 2015)
We need some help - -Just today I discovered a reference to a "TYPE" 245 American La France and in another site reference was made
to a "TYPE" 285 ALF. Will someone in authoritative knowledge please provide an official American La France "Type" and "Series" identification chart - - - the chart I have (and I've seen the same chart from different sites) does not list "Types" 245 and 285! Is there confusion between "Types" and "Series somewhere along the line? My chart shows no "Types" from #100 through #499 - - - Is my chart wrong or are the several models of ALF improperly identified? It has been too many years ago that I discovered and copied my chart so I can't say where I got it.
Need some authoritative assistance in this whole ALF identification chart thing.
X Chief 1
Here is a link to the Type chart that is on the SPAAMFAA web site. http://spaamfaa.org/resourcefiles/typeSpecs.pdf
 

Russell

Probie
Our fire department (Toledo Oregon), just recovered its 1928 ALF, and it has this number T4202917 is stamped on the frame. Does anyone know what it signifies? Also, we will be on the lookout for parts, trim, emblems, etc. to restore it to parade readiness...this year it will probably be on a trailer... Hoping to have it running within a few years. I found the delivery info in the SPAAMFAA data table, but it doesn't have any numbers that look like those on the frame. Any info would be much appreciated, Cheers, Russell, volunteer firefighter/emt.
 
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