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Title: Snorkels
Post by: Engine33Truck on December 22, 2010, 03:49:17 PM
Are snorkels still build by anyone?  Or if a dept. would want to buy a new snorkel without having one previously, would they have to somehow come up with an older snorkel to have the boom removed?
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: START WATER on January 04, 2011, 11:44:18 PM
THEONLYONES I THNK ARE STILLMADE  ARE A FEW IN EUROPE  AND MAYBE  ONE IN JAPAN AND THATS A GUESS  .MANY PLATFORMS  ARE MADE BUT THEY DON'T BEND LIKE A SNORKEL DID .

AND CAN GO MUCH HIGHER  BRONTO IN GRMANY ? HAS A ADD OUT FOR A THREE HUNDRED FT BOOM  OR  TO + METERS

a COMPNAY   USED TO MAKE A LADER  WHERE THE  LAST  40 FT OF THE  FLY SECTION COULD BE LOWERED  ONTO A ROOF  I TRIED IT AND REALLY DIDN'T CARE FOR IT .  SW
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: Engine33Truck on January 05, 2011, 12:17:02 PM
Thanks.  Too bad Pitman doesn't make theirs anymore.
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: START WATER on February 01, 2011, 04:38:31 PM
      TRY A CHICAGO SITE   THEY STILL RUN SNORKELS  ON SOME SQUAD CO'S   
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: GTW6401 on February 06, 2011, 02:27:50 PM
Chicago runs a total of 3 squad companies equipped with snorkels.

They have a heavy rescue box, and run a 55 foot snorkel as the second piece.    During the 80s and 90s the squads only had the 55 foot snorkel rigs, the last of which were the 1988 Spartan/E-Ones that are currently in the spare fleet.    The current squads are 2000 HME/Central States.

Chicago also has a reserve 1982 Seagrave snorkel that is at Engine 35's quarters and is often special called to extra alarm fires and manned by 35s crew.


Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: fcdan on February 07, 2011, 01:35:57 PM
According to Snorkel's website, they do not build an elevating platform for the fire service. They build lifts for the construction industry.

Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: START WATER on February 07, 2011, 10:49:46 PM
the Cherry Hill NJ  Race Track has /had  a  hi ranger  snorkel built for
changing   light bulbs.   and the  125ft and 150ft  calivar snorkels were designed for the dew  line radar antenna  maintence   
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: pauloghia on March 30, 2012, 02:37:53 AM
Since snorkels are no longer produced, how will larger departments operating multiple units like Chicago and Philadelphia keep them within their future operations? Even if they keep refurbishing their existing units continuously when a rig is to be replaced, they'll still eventually wear out completely. When the front line units need to be replaced, will the spares be sent off for refurbishment and the current units be placed into reserve once the new rigs arrive or how does it work?
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: START WATER on March 30, 2012, 05:22:14 PM
  you hit a sore spot  with philly      we had two  pitman booms  placed on a new kme   and the booms were to be certified  fit for duty 

the first fire for one ,   the upper boom would not  go up  so the basket was usueud as a street stream .   right now they are both oos   way i have no idea .

how  snorkels gets  tested  i have no clue  i kinow we  x ray ladders

so just think  you walk in for tonight and there it sits and your in bucket the 
of  a 1982  snorkel  hell it might be  older then you .        Philly  has obtained  to

ladders  i guess with buckets    ladder towers or something  like that .

and we have two snozzles  coming in   to replace the squrts  that are not made anymore   which i think is  a big misteak  we used ours  every chance we had
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: pauloghia on March 30, 2012, 06:37:52 PM
Looks like Philadelphia then has it in the back of its mind that those units will one day be gone completely from the department. I saw that picture of Snorkel 28 on fire btw. I can imagine Baltimore replacing their only snorkel with anything that's a platform and calling it their water tower. Chicago will be the interesting one to watch, since they have the snorkel integrated so much into their squad operations. There's foreign companies that make their own versions I think. They could go with those.
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: johnmocha on March 30, 2012, 08:28:43 PM
In terms of testing, when my company's '64 FWD/Pierce 65' snorkel was tested in about 84 or so it was magnafluxed.   The tech basically checked all the welds for cracks.  He sprayed/poofed magnetic powder near each of the welds and then rang a large U shaped magnet around the weld.  The magnetic creates a magnetic flux - its not a flux capacitor :) - around any cracks that will then be outlined with the magnetic powder.  Our snorkel passed but was retired in '89 when it was replaced with a platform.

For most cities my bet is that you might be able to remount one or two times but it would be unusual to keep the boom in service beyond 40 or 50 years.  While it may be perfectly serviceable - and inspected by magnafluxing or xray - the risk of a lawsuit if a failure happened is probably too large.  What I mean is that even though a newer device may be just as risk prone, the perception is that an older device is riskier and hence the city took on an unwarranted risk if it failed.     

I love snorkels and it will be sad when all are gone.  They definitely define a certain era of firefighting and personally, I don't think they can be beat as a water tower.  All that said, does anyone know who had the largest fleet of snorkels.  Chicago seems mostly likely but who else ran more than one or two.  I love the fact that Utica has 2 in a relatively small department (8 engines, 3 trucks, the snorkels run as engines).   In Middlesex County, NJ, where I'm from they were pretty darn popular.   Out of roughly 25 municipalities, there were at least 8 snorkels in 7 communities.

Carteret (1), Perth Amboy (1), South Amboy (1) Piscataway (1), Edison (2), South Brunswick (1), East Brunswick (1),
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: pauloghia on March 30, 2012, 09:23:26 PM
I wish I knew the answer to how who had the largest snorkel fleet. I can say with relative certainty that the departments in metro Louisville, both Louisille Division of Fire, the entire Jefferson County Fire Service and the counties in its metro area combined once had one of the largest fleets of tele-squrts. Where I'm at now in Richmond, the city of McKee has an ancient OOS Pitman Snorkel housed in their old firehouse that would be a perfect candidate for refurbishment and remount.
Title: Tulsa had 3
Post by: boardmansteve on March 30, 2012, 09:57:02 PM
These three Ford/Boardman Snorkels were delivered to Tulsa in 1963.  There was one 65' (far left) and two 75' jobs, assigned when new to Ladders 6 (at 22's), 4 (at 7's), and 1 (at 1's).  All had 534 gas V8s, manual transmissions, air brakes, Penetrator sirens, and a full complement of ground ladders.  All were identically equipped except for the 65-footer, which for some reason had Federal #17 beacons while the other two had #173s.  The 65' rig was sold in the late 1970s, while the other two were refurbished and remounted by Pierce on Arrow chassis in the early 1980s.  One was wrecked in the early 1990s and got a new Dash enclosed cab as part of her rebuild.  All are long gone.

If anyone here knows where the 65' ended up, I'd sure like to know!

(SL collection)
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: START WATER on March 31, 2012, 12:31:06 AM
BEFORE YOU THINK REHAB OF ANAY RIG  YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER  THE WORK LOAD THE RIG HAS SEEN .         I ASM NOT SAYIONG PHILLY IS THE ONLY ONE WITH MANY   HOURS OF USE  PLUS ROAD MILES ON   INSPECTIONS  HYDRANT TESTING . COVER UPS .    FOR EXAMPLE  INN ONE YEAR IN THE 60'S  SNORKEL 2 
WAS IFIRST INON AT LEAST 130 LARGE FIRES AND WAS  IN SERVICE FOR DAYS

SOME ONE MENTIONED THE  BOOM HITING A LINE AND SETTING THE RIG ON FIRE

THE CONTROLS WERE REBUILT   WHY DID IT KEEP MOVING  WHEN NO BEING TOUCHED IS ANYONES  GUESS  . ALL OUR SNORKELS  FROM THE HIGH RANGERS  TO THE 125 FT  ONE  DID THEIR OWN  THING

I WAS ASSIGNED TO A HIGH RANGER FOR A ABOUT 5 MONTHS  AND  OURS  HAD A GHOST   ONE NIGHT THEY WENT TO MOVE THE BUCKET AND NIT KEPT GOING
AROUND IN A CIRCLE   4 TIMES .   NOTHING WRONG WITH THE PIECE  THE CITY WAS CHEAP AND DID  NOT  ADD A HYDRAULIC  RELIEF SYSTEM
SO WHILE OPERATING  THE PUMP KEEPS BUILING UP PRESSURE   AND IF YOU FORGET TO MOVE  EVERY SO OFTEN  IT GOES  IN ONE DIRECTION TILL THE PRESSURE BLEEDS OFF .     

I WAS VERY HAPPY  TO  GO BACK TO A BUSY ENGINE CO
YOU CAN NEVER MAKE ONE FIRM RULE  ON  ANYTHING IN THE FIRE  SERVICE
 TO THE  MEMBER WHO SAID  ABOUT 50 YEARS  GOOD  LUCK

THE NFPA   STATES  FOR CITIES  15 YEARS FRONT LINE  THEN 5 YEARS IN RESERVE  .  I WOULD EVEN SAY  THE AMOUNT OF WORK IN SMALLER CITIES 
IS NOT HALF  OF THER LARGER CITIES  .    WHAT WE CALL  A SLOWER  CO STILL RUNS AROUND 2,000   A YEAR OR LITTLE LESS .    BUSY CO THE SKY IS THE LIMIT  .  MOST DO OVER 3,000 A YEAR .    WE HAVE SOME SINGLE LADDER STATIONS  AGAIN WHERE ENGS WERE CLOSED .  ONE LADDER DID OVER 3,000  RUNS .  BUT AGAIN THEY ARE TAKING THE ENG CO BS RUNS
SO AGAIN IT  HARD TO COMPARE ONE AGAINST THE OTHER . .       



Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: squad546 on March 31, 2012, 12:37:34 AM
Are snorkels still build by anyone?  Or if a dept. would want to buy a new snorkel without having one previously, would they have to somehow come up with an older snorkel to have the boom removed?
If I'm not mistaken, and this is according to the guys at Squad 1 in Chicago. American LaFrance owns the rights or whatever to the snorkel design and haven't shown much interest in bringing it back anytime soon. ALF had told Chicago they might consider doing some rigs with a snorkel in the near future but no guarantees. The Chicago snorkels are beyond due for replacement and I think that might have something to do with it. Although now that Hoff has retired it might be even less likely to happen sadly.

I didn't know McKee had a snorkel, something they purchased recently? The only one I can think of in Ky is in Okolona, an early '70s Pierce.
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: MFD61KS on March 31, 2012, 12:43:45 AM
I loved Snorkle's grew up with Arlington Texas Snorkel 7 ExSN6, and Olathe Kansas Truck 2 ExT1,They were great machines.

Kansas had a number of Snorkels most likely since the original Pittman Snorkel plant was in Grandview, Missouri Kansas City Metro. Later mid 1960's the plant was moved to St. Joseph, Missouri actually Elwood, Kansas when Mr Pittman sold the company and his name was removed.

I roughly counted from memory. Kansas had eighteen brand name Snorkels, two ALF Aero Chiefs, and one Seagrave/ Ottawa-Daybrook Snorkel. Pretty impressive when you look at the population of the state. All of these departments are career or combination career-volunteer except Hiawatha they are fully volunteer.

Rick

Snorkels:
Olathe
Lawrence
Leavenworth
Kansas City, Kansas x3
Hiawatha
Abilene
Hays
Great Bend
Liberial
Sedgwick County Fire Dist 1 (Wichita Metro)
Independence
Coffeyville
Pittsburg
Topeka x2
Concordia

ALF Aero Chief:
Overland Park
Hutchison

Seagrave/Ottawa-Daybrook:
Ottawa

Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: pauloghia on March 31, 2012, 02:13:19 AM
I saw McKee's snorkel a couple of years ago when I was walking around aimlessly in their town for no reason. It looked like it was on an old Simon Duplex cab, but who knows. Either way, it sat in an old firehouse that had been converted into the city storage shed. Being an Appalachian town, I doubt McKee bought the rig new and I know without a doubt the need for a snorkel there was minuscule.
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: FAO25 on March 31, 2012, 12:11:29 PM
I wish I knew the answer to how who had the largest snorkel fleet. I can say with relative certainty that the departments in metro Louisville, both Louisille Division of Fire, the entire Jefferson County Fire Service and the counties in its metro area combined once had one of the largest fleets of tele-squrts. Where I'm at now in Richmond, the city of McKee has an ancient OOS Pitman Snorkel housed in their old firehouse that would be a perfect candidate for refurbishment and remount.
Probably, Chicago. I believe at one point there were the 3 Snorkle Squads plus several snorkle companies, somewhere around 5-7 maybe.
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: boardmansteve on March 31, 2012, 01:58:01 PM
I roughly counted from memory. Kansas had eighteen brand name Snorkels, two ALF Aero Chiefs, and one Seagrave/ Ottawa-Daybrook Snorkel.

I had forgotten about the Hiawatha truck, and never knew Concordia had one!  Here's another one from Kansas:

Parsons, KS
1967 International/Pierce #9296-A
1000/0/75'
Gas/manual
Snorkel 1

(SL photo, 1988)
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: START WATER on March 31, 2012, 04:12:30 PM
     i  would  think  the odds of new snorkels is over .   The cost has to be high
where does  it fit  thru doors    I don't think many volunteer ff's even thin k about the coast of their operetions . Around here they get fire tax money  and relief money     To  man one piece 24/7  with four  people   has to be close to one million dollars  and thats counting a building , rig  health insurance  etc

yeasterday  kansas city told the  chief cut 16 million  dollars just like that 
its like on township councilman said   give the ff's what  ever they ask for  as long as they work for free ,   thats what they think of vol's 

but he knows  he would have to hire around 100 ff's  for24/7   and thats only three stations out of 5  . big bucks  to say the least   
.
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: pauloghia on March 31, 2012, 04:51:37 PM
I think the Bronto Skylift makes the closest replacement to the old snorkel.
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: johnmocha on March 31, 2012, 08:02:07 PM
We have just ordered our LTI tower in 1989 when we saw our first one at the NJ State Convention.  From what I recall, the price differential was significant.  That said, we really liked the fact that the last 10 or 15 ft of the boom had its own articulation.  Our issue was not as much height as setback with a courtyard or one story that we had to reach over to get full coverage in our district.  In addition, it seemed as though the Bronto ate up a bunch of compartment space/ladder space when it was bedded down.   

Perhaps of the most unusual Snorkel replacements is Friendship Hook & Ladder No. 1's of Carlstadt, NJ.  It is based on a Schwing boom which is typically used for concrete pumpers.  This replaced a classic 1969 Mack CF 75' Pitman Snorkel.  Photos here http://carlstadtfd.org/

Carlstadt also had a classic '72 Mack R that used to be their Engine 702.  It had a backstep so large you could throw a party on it!
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: doverchief2 on March 31, 2012, 08:16:57 PM
Changing of the guard-  Dover Ohio's 2004 Spartan Smeal 105' rearmount leading in front of 1967 Pierce/Pitman/FWD 75' Snorkel with a 1000/150  which faithfully served frontline for 37 years- Dave Schlosser photo
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: pauloghia on March 31, 2012, 09:36:15 PM
That reminds me, the departments in Jefferson County KY have over the years been slowly replacing their telesqurts with quints.
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: MATT3045 on April 01, 2012, 08:11:36 AM
I think the Bronto Skylift makes the closest replacement to the old snorkel.
Rosenbauer also has one like a Bronto, but I think you are right about them being the closest things.
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: pauloghia on April 01, 2012, 10:12:19 AM
I think the Bronto Skylift makes the closest replacement to the old snorkel.
Rosenbauer also has one like a Bronto, but I think you are right about them being the closest things.

It only makes sense for the Bronto over a Schwing. Brontos are well known.
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: brucobuff on April 01, 2012, 03:26:49 PM
I concur that Chicago has had the most snorkels over history, probably at least 25. There are 21 examples, from 4 builders, in Paul Barrett's E/P book alone.
Boom builders:
Pitman original rig
Pitman/Snorkel: all purchases since 1966
HI-Ranger (4)
Strato-Tower (3)
Chicago probably had the most different sizes in use, with everything between 40'-85'.
It is ironic that other aerial platforms have rendered the elevating platform rigs to the same status as the water tower rigs they replaced over 50 years ago...
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: highviewfire on April 13, 2012, 04:25:50 PM
By our database, there have been no less than 70 Snorkels (Squrts, Telesqurts, and Snorkels) to have served in Kentucky.  But, most were/are used.

I can account for 7 Snorkels delivered new:
Bellvue - Maxim
Glasgow - Ford/Pierce
Elizabethtown - IHC/Pierce
Okolona - Oshkosh/Pierce
Whitesburg - Ford/Allegheny
Pikeville - Ford/ALF
Owensboro - Mack/Ferrara

Also, I have 14 Telesqurts and 18 Squrts delivered new, mostly in and around Louisville.

Okolona still has their Snorkel.  In the Louisville area, there are still 7 Telesqurts in service and 11 Squrts, plus 2 Snozzle-equipped pumpers.     

Kent Parrish
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: FAO25 on April 13, 2012, 09:54:08 PM
We have just ordered our LTI tower in 1989 when we saw our first one at the NJ State Convention.  From what I recall, the price differential was significant.  That said, we really liked the fact that the last 10 or 15 ft of the boom had its own articulation.  Our issue was not as much height as setback with a courtyard or one story that we had to reach over to get full coverage in our district.  In addition, it seemed as though the Bronto ate up a bunch of compartment space/ladder space when it was bedded down.   

Perhaps of the most unusual Snorkel replacements is Friendship Hook & Ladder No. 1's of Carlstadt, NJ.  It is based on a Schwing boom which is typically used for concrete pumpers.  This replaced a classic 1969 Mack CF 75' Pitman Snorkel.  Photos here http://carlstadtfd.org/

Carlstadt also had a classic '72 Mack R that used to be their Engine 702.  It had a backstep so large you could throw a party on it!
If anybody in New Jersey had a Schwing I would have thought it would be Wayne. :)
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: pauloghia on April 13, 2012, 11:58:28 PM
Also, I have 14 Telesqurts and 18 Squrts delivered new, mostly in and around Louisville.

Okolona still has their Snorkel.  In the Louisville area, there are still 7 Telesqurts in service and 11 Squrts, plus 2 Snozzle-equipped pumpers.     

Kent Parrish

Does McMahan still have their two Seagrave/squrts?
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: Box 2565 on April 14, 2012, 01:08:53 AM
By our database, there have been no less than 70 Snorkels (Squrts, Telesqurts, and Snorkels) to have served in Kentucky.  But, most were/are used.

I can account for 7 Snorkels delivered new:
Bellvue - Maxim
Glasgow - Ford/Pierce
Elizabethtown - IHC/Pierce
Okolona - Oshkosh/Pierce
Whitesburg - Ford/Allegheny
Pikeville - Ford/ALF
Owensboro - Mack/Ferrara

Also, I have 14 Telesqurts and 18 Squrts delivered new, mostly in and around Louisville.

Okolona still has their Snorkel.  In the Louisville area, there are still 7 Telesqurts in service and 11 Squrts, plus 2 Snozzle-equipped pumpers.     

Kent Parrish
Hi Kent,

Did Pikeville have a snorkel floating around in addition to the Ford/ALF TeleSqurt?  Also, what about the most obvious Snorkel (at least for you) if all brands of snorkel devices are included - Louisville's WLF Hi-Ranger!  Also there was the WLF Hi-Ranger at the Paducah Plant.  You should post a photo of the Paducah rig.  It is really different.

Steve

Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: highviewfire on April 16, 2012, 07:41:06 AM
Hey Steve,

Yeah, I meant Pikeville's Telesqurt.  Well, I just included the Snorkel brand devices.  But, of course, the Ward LaFrance Hi-Rangers!  Louisville hated theirs...and quickly washed their hands of it...went to South Chicago Heights.  The Paducah Plant rig went to West McCracken for a little while.  Both way before my time...but I have shots of them in my collection somewhere. 

Kent
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: Box 2565 on April 16, 2012, 10:52:09 PM
Hey Steve,

Yeah, I meant Pikeville's Telesqurt.  Well, I just included the Snorkel brand devices.  But, of course, the Ward LaFrance Hi-Rangers!  Louisville hated theirs...and quickly washed their hands of it...went to South Chicago Heights.  The Paducah Plant rig went to West McCracken for a little while.  Both way before my time...but I have shots of them in my collection somewhere. 

Kent
I goofed in my post.  It's the Owensboro Mack/Ferrara that is so different!
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: START WATER on April 18, 2012, 09:20:36 PM
  HI KENT  WONDERING WHY LOUISVILLE  DIDN'T  LIKE THE HIGH RANGER
  PHILLY HAD TWO OF THEM   AND WE WORKED THEM TO DEATH  FOR YEARS
  I WAS EVEN ASSIGNED TO ONE FOR 6 MONTHS   AND DROVE IT A LOT WITH LITTLE STREETS  .   I WORKED WELL FOR US .   I FOREGET THE YEARS

MAYBE LATE  60-TO 70'S  BUT  WE HAD A LOAD OF LARGE FIRES WHERE THEY USED  BOTH SNORKELS  ON ONE JOB   YOUR FRIEND IN PHILLY  BILL
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: johnmocha on April 19, 2012, 05:50:33 PM
Jumping a bit off topic, here's a photo of Hudson, Ohio's snorkel at the Pierce Plan in July 1992.  I believe it was a refurb and a 75 footer.  Definitely a nice looking example. 
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: squad546 on April 21, 2012, 01:10:22 AM
I think the Owensboro Mack is a late model one isn't it? One of these days I need to drive out that way!
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: MATT3045 on April 21, 2012, 01:09:08 PM
Jumping a bit off topic, here's a photo of Hudson, Ohio's snorkel at the Pierce Plan in July 1992.  I believe it was a refurb and a 75 footer.  Definitely a nice looking example. 
It was replaced either last year or year before with a Sutphen Tower. I am not sure what the final outcome of the truck was.
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: doverchief2 on April 22, 2012, 07:08:52 AM
In regard to Start Water's comment and Philly's use of High Rangers-

Ditto Cleveland Ohio, I talked with their former Chief Bill Lee years ago and asked of all the aerials they had which worked out the best for them and he said, pretty much verbatim "believe it or not the High Rangers, they looked like quite a contraption but they never left us down and we used the heck out of them for quite a while"
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: pauloghia on April 23, 2012, 11:25:57 PM
I was watching a bucket truck in front of my house that belongs to the phone company earlier today and started wondering what it would take for one of these companies to branch off and start building water towers. Isn't that how the Hi-rangers and Pitman snorkels began life?
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: FAO25 on April 24, 2012, 11:55:21 AM
I don't know about other parts of the country but around my area the Hi-Ranger was called the "Carnival Ride", at least based on appearance. I don't know about the reliablity.
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: pauloghia on April 24, 2012, 04:18:46 PM
I don't know about other parts of the country but around my area the Hi-Ranger was called the "Carnival Ride", at least based on appearance. I don't know about the reliablity.

What part of the country is that?
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: FAO25 on April 24, 2012, 06:07:03 PM
I don't know about other parts of the country but around my area the Hi-Ranger was called the "Carnival Ride", at least based on appearance. I don't know about the reliablity.

What part of the country is that?
New England
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: START WATER on April 24, 2012, 07:00:42 PM
   WHEN FDNY STARTED  TOWER LADDERS  I WAS AMAZED HOW MANY VOL FIRE CO'S SOLD THEIR LADDERS AND HAD TO HAVE ONE  . THEY WENT FORM 100 FOOTERS  TO 75 FT   BUT LOOKED LIKE FDNY 

YOU SHOULD HAVE WHAT YOU NEED .  AT A MUSTER SOME YOIUNG FF   WERE TALKING BAD ABOUT A MERTZ LADDER , AND HOW MUCH BETTER THIR  NEW LADER WAS    .   SO THERY RAN A TEST  FOR SET UP TIME  ,  THE NOT GOOD LOOKING MET Z  WAS ALL THE WAY UP BEFORE THEIR NEW  RIG HAD THE STANDARDS DOWN

ALWAYS KEEP ,YOUR EYES  AND MIND OPEN  FOR MANY NEW  IDEAS 
200 FOOT LADDERS IN EUROPE HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR ALONG TIME
CAB AHEAD ENGS  WERE BUILT BEFORE WW2  IN EUROPE
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: pauloghia on April 25, 2012, 09:04:13 AM
What part of the country is that?
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New England
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Other than Louisville, I don't think my area (Kentucky) ran Hi-rangers.
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: highviewfire on April 25, 2012, 03:25:20 PM
Louisville's Hi-Ranger was a mechanical nightmare...could not keep it on the road...in the shop more than in service.  They sold it to South Chicago Heights, IL.  It was replaced by a Pirsch tiller. 

Kent Parrish

   
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: pauloghia on April 25, 2012, 03:49:51 PM
Louisville's Hi-Ranger was a mechanical nightmare...could not keep it on the road...in the shop more than in service.  They sold it to South Chicago Heights, IL.  It was replaced by a Pirsch tiller. 

Kent Parrish

   

Do you have a photo of that Hi-ranger?
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: johnmocha on April 25, 2012, 07:24:11 PM
I was watching a bucket truck in front of my house that belongs to the phone company earlier today and started wondering what it would take for one of these companies to branch off and start building water towers. Isn't that how the Hi-rangers and Pitman snorkels began life?
You can add Calavar to that list also.  My impression is that they are still being used as line trucks in the power industry.  I'm sure Start Water can share some fun stories about how reliable those beasts were.   I doubt current line truck manufacturers will get into fire apparatus.  Too much regulatory effort for too little profit.  It's not like the good old days when we take good ideas and use them without 20 different certifications. 

Yours in Red Trucks, Black Coats and Leather Helmets!
John
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: START WATER on April 26, 2012, 10:58:14 AM
The Calavar  was  good idea   in general  and when it worked  it was great .

The  magic  word  is  WHEN , you never knew what it would do next

I  was the officer  when the assigned officer had a group  or kelly dayevery week ,   The air horn worked great    Evereytime something was not perfect  the air horn blew .      I   will say this  driving to work  I  ask the  the fire gods  for no runs  fires  or problems .   The Fire God never heard me

all  can say  is  it was always a chance as to what would happen next
won't go up  or won't come down   it needed  22 ft  to set the standards 
many  first in streets were only 17  feet or less  .

the ladder racks  laid  out of the side  of the rig ,   that car didn't need a roof
I  will say when it worked  it worked  good . And  of course  many people came to see it  by the bus loads from  out of city  fire co's  .  The fire man were great 
but didn'twqant to set  it up . We had to go at least 4 blacks  away just to have space  to  set it up .  .    we could not close  down streets  for a drill .

just recalled   the standards  swung out from the body of the rig from front to side  and of course more cars  were  always in the way.   

the Hi rangers  worked pretty good , and i have no clue how the pitmans worked
I don't remember  ever working on one .   many times the officer has nothing to do with setting up a snorkel  when   first in  .   size up  etc  comes first
same thing is  pretty true  with ladders .   officer and  search and rescue  man go inside to see  what the fire really is .

One Capt wanted his main ladder  up  out of the bed  on every run
good  training for his  drivers .   
                  I'll  say this  evereyone  is  a trained  driver on his  rig   .   not  saying every one drives  some time they use three  firefighters   i had everyone drive .   You never knew who might be injured  off  sick or on  vacation .   I  had one ff  at squrt 8  that really didn;t want to drive but took the field com to  every extra  on our  shift .    Its amazing some times  how your  crew  of  5  can not be working  .    everyone is emt  and must man a ems  unit  for required hours
                 The nice thing is  detail men coming in  are  trained the same way
and fit right in . and do a nice job .  and they can be from anywhere in the city or county.     philly is acounty       
 


   
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: photoman475 on March 26, 2013, 09:31:44 PM
In another post elsewhere on this site, Chicago has ordered 3 new Snorkel squads from Rosenbauer.

Back in the 60's and 70s, many suburban Chicago departments bought snorkels.  Franklin Park had an 85' Pirsch, Schiller Park and Elmwood Park 85' Pierces, Northlake a 75' Pierce, Rosemont a 65' Seagrave, Skokie had a 50'or 55' Pirsch, Glen Ellyn a 65' Mack/Pierce, Rolling Meadows had a 90' ALF Aero-Chief, Butterfield had that Darley/GMC 85' snorkel.  DeKalb bought a used 85' Hi-Ranger at some point-they had that when I was a grad student there. That is what I remember off the top of my head-the Barret book has much more in it.

 
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: squad546 on March 27, 2013, 02:19:00 AM
Many of the Chicago metro-area FDs had a snorkel at one time. The departments on the Indiana side also had a number of snorkels over the years, although I don't think any are left there. Hammond & Gary had at least 2. Munster had a nice Maxim snorkel and Griffith had an ALF Snorkel that was recently retired, I believe it was sold to a private owner several years ago. Crown Point had a Crown Snorkel, no idea what ever happened to it. The BP refinery in Whiting had one, no idea if it's still there. Wasn't all that old nor had it seen much fire.

1)Crown Point, IN
Unit 14B
1960 Crown Snorkel
G Kadzielawski

2)Griffith, IN
Snorkel 17
1967 American LaFrance-90'
Unknown

3)Gary
Snorkel 1
1964 Maxim Snorkel 85'
 Don Feipel photo

4)Gary
Snorkel/Truck 4
1965 American LaFrance 80'
G. Kadzielawski

Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: ScottR on March 28, 2013, 12:46:40 PM
I saw the Gary Maxim Snorkel in a junkyard in the Gary area several years ago and it was in sad shape then.

The Griffith Snorkel is somewhere around Knoxville, Tennessee and has been there nearly 6 years. It was driven from my house in Mooresville, Indiana to Knoxville at a blistering top speed of 43 mph, thankfully I was not involved in that trip. This rig was great fun to drive and operate, but you could never be in a hurry to get anywhere...
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: START WATER on March 29, 2013, 03:59:40 PM
        if i recall right  Philly had 5  snorkels assigned at the same time

         there   were   2 high rangers    2 pitmans  and  one  125ft  snorkel
          they all seen a lot of  rough service .    As  I said before they all   had
          small things they did  on their own
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: squad546 on January 02, 2014, 03:38:07 PM
Leitchfield, Ky (X-King's Park, NY)
Snorkel 10-1967 Young Crusader #67-199S
1250/0/85'
Photo-David Mattingly

I have no idea what happened to this snorkel. I'm pretty sure it isn't in-service with any department in Ky.
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: fcdan on January 03, 2014, 02:14:36 PM
Windsor, ON, Canada
1971 & 1982 Ford C/Duke/Hi Ranger, 85ft.
Photos taken in 1994 and 1996
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: squad546 on January 04, 2014, 01:06:01 AM
Windsor, ON, Canada
1971 & 1982 Ford C/Duke/Hi Ranger, 85ft.
Photos taken in 1994 and 1996
Well, that's a different looking rig.
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: Box 2565 on January 04, 2014, 01:46:08 AM
Windsor, ON, Canada
1971 & 1982 Ford C/Duke/Hi Ranger, 85ft.
Photos taken in 1994 and 1996
These are interesting!  Is this the same company that built a Hi-Ranger for Toronto?  I thought the TFD rig was the only one.
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: fcdan on January 04, 2014, 01:42:28 PM
Windsor, ON, Canada
1971 & 1982 Ford C/Duke/Hi Ranger, 85ft.
Photos taken in 1994 and 1996
These are interesting!  Is this the same company that built a Hi-Ranger for Toronto?  I thought the TFD rig was the only one.

Steve,

I didn't know the answer to your question so I emailed Walt McCall. Toronto FD had a 1969 Ford C and 1986 Mack MR  HI Ranger snorkels both built by Duke Equipment  of Burlington, Ontario.

Dan
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: fcdan on January 05, 2014, 09:58:01 AM
Battle Creek, MI
1970 Oshkosh/American, 85ft.
Photo taken in 1995
Title: Re: Snorkels
Post by: fcdan on January 05, 2014, 10:00:11 AM
Madison Heights, MI
1968 FWD/Pierce
1250/300/85ft.
Photo taken in 1998