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Title: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: FAO25 on February 21, 2010, 07:31:17 PM
Weird Question Dept.
Would anyone be able and willing to give me an idea about the size of the Dayton Fire Dept back in 1970. My parents stopped there back then on the way back from the IFBA Convention so we could go to the USAF Museum at Wright-Patt. I dug out some old Fire Engineerings recently that have articles or pics from that era. It made me curious about how big the department was. The number of stations, engines, trucks, rescues and chiefs. Rough idea of company manning. There were two articles in particular, an abandoned envelope company and a big fire at NCR if I remember right. Quite impressive. Any input appreciated and thanks in advance.

                                                     signed, About to be wet and snowy where the clams swim in real chowdah not tomato soup.   ;)
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on February 21, 2010, 08:48:32 PM
I went to work at the Troy, OH FD in 1974 and this info dates around 1975 - 1976.

Sta. 2  East 3rd & Keowee
E-2  Tr. 2  East Chief  Unit 2 ( air )   Foam Truck  Amb 2 Amb 5

Sta. 3  W. 5th & Wilkinson
E-3  Snorkel 1

Sta.4  Main & Monument
E-4  Central Chief  Unit 1 ( rescue )

Sta. 8  E. Stanley & Farr
E-8  Medic 8

Sta. 9  Salem & Oxford
E-9

Sta. 10  S. Broadway & Williams
E-10  L-10  Medic 10   Amb 6

Sta. 11  Brown & Park
E-11

Sta. 13  W. 3rd & Euclid
E-13  L-13  West Chief

Sta. 14  N. Main & Forest
E-14  L-14

Sta. 15  Wayne & Medford
E-15  L-15

Sta. 16  Gettysburg & Kings Highway
E-16  L-16  Medic 16  Amb 7

Sta. 17  W. 3rd & Gettysburg
E-17

Sta. 18  Smithville & Burkhardt
E-18  L-18  M-18

Sta. 19  Wayne & Fauver
E-19

Sta. 20  Fairview & Catalpa
E-20

I believe that they ran 4 on all co.s  Medis ran with 2.  The Ambulances ran with 2 from the companys that they were housed at.  I am not 100% sure about where Amb 6 & 7 ran out of. The units were staffed the same way.  My dad worked at NCR & yes it was the biggest fire I ever saw in Dayton.  I made it to the Dayton Envelope fire and it was pretty good too.  Maybe tomorrow I'll post what each company ran with.
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: FAO25 on February 21, 2010, 10:58:02 PM
So with cross manning the ambulance it would be one from each leaving three on the fire company? And the medic had dedicated manning?
Many thanks to you for the info.
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on February 22, 2010, 08:38:37 AM
Yes, the 4 medics were always staffed.  I don't know how the ambulance staffing changed the number of members on the other apparatus.  I don't know if they went out of service or they ran short. 
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on February 22, 2010, 08:51:41 AM
Due to " Old Timers " or just a brain freeze, I forgot to list the Foam Truck at Sta. 2.  It was not a staffed apparatus.  I revised the earlier post.  I saw it used once at a fire at 3rd & Garfield. 
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on February 22, 2010, 10:28:23 AM
I thought that this would be a relatively easy task to list all the apparatus that the Dayton, OH FD used in the early 1970's.  My memory is not what it used to be and neither were the notes I thought I'd recorded.  It makes me sad to see the rigs I let slip away with no info or poor info.  Some of my pics weren't that good either.  Since they are all 35mm slides you might not ever see some of them.  For the most part, the ones I shot with Box 2565 back in the day are posted on this site.
So with apologies in advance for my errors & the thanks of those who pulled out the rigs and let me take notes, here we go.

E-2 1967 Mack C95FD1626 1000/300
Tr. 2 1955 Seagrave 900T H.7340 100'
Foam Truck  1965 Kidde/GMC 13,500 CFM  #110
E-3  70th Anniversary Seagrave
Snorkel 1966 PIerce/FWD 7925-C 75'
E-4  70th Anniversary Seagrave
E-8 1968 Mack CF  SN most likely 1015 or 1017
E-9 1971 Hahn 1000/500
E-10 1962 Seagrave 900B M.9025  1000/150
Tr. 10 Thibault / GMC 85'  Unsure of year
E-11 1961 Seagrave 900B M.1075 1000/150
E-13 1965 Pirsch / GMC PI-89  1000/300
Tr. 13 Thibault / GMC 85'  Unsure of year
E-14 70th Anniversary Seagrave
Tr. 14 1971 Thibault / Duplex # 450 250/250/75' - This rig is posted in the Thibault thread in red!!
E-15 1962 Seagrave 900B M.9026
Tr. 15 1968 CF Mack # 1024 / Maxim 75'
E-16 1971 Hahn 1000/500
Tr. 16 1955 Segrave 900A H.7335
E-17 1965 Mack B951240 1000/100
E-18 1968 Mack CF685F10-1016 1000/500
Tr. 18 1968 CF Mack # 1025 / Maxim 75'
E-19 1966 Mack C951429 1000/
E-20 1967 Mack C951563 1000/

I have no info on the medics or ambulances.  Unit 1 was an IH Metro step van.  No info on the unit 2 the air truck.  No info on the chief's cars.

I believe that all the rigs delivered prior to 1976 were eventually repainted to Lime Green.

Tomorrow, the spares!
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on February 22, 2010, 10:38:25 AM
Dark Day for Dayton, OH Fire Department in 1976

Engine 3's 70th Anniversary Seagrave was replaced with a
1976 WLF 80-1379 1500/500.  The 1st rig delivered Lime Green :'(

This 1976 WLF eventually became E-12 when Sta. 12 was opened on Brandt PIke & Needmore Rd.
I don't remember what year that was for sure. 
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on February 22, 2010, 11:01:23 AM
New Aerial for Dayton, OH FD in 1978

Truck 2
1978 WLF
1500/250/100' LTI
Box 2565 posted this in the WLF Thread.

This rig replaced 2 aerials that were running out of Sta.2  The 1968 Mack Maxim from Tr. 18 had moved down to Sta. 2.  It responded to the residential areas on the East side while the Seagrave 100' TT responded downtown & the target hazards.  The Seagrave became a spare & was later surplussed.  It survives and is owned by the Dayton FF's.  The Mack Maxim went to the West side & became Tr. 16, replacing their 65' Seagrave.

The WLF was wrecked in the 1990's and was rebuilt in 1994.
It is currently used at the Training Center and should disappear soon.

1994 Simon Duplex / LTI
1500/200/100'
# 40994
John Denney Photo


Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: FAO25 on February 22, 2010, 12:27:06 PM
WOW! This is more than I could ask for and all that I could have hoped for.
 I know what you mean about keeping details. As I go through almost 30 years of slides I took and digitize them remembering what is what is a problem. The things you thought you wouldn't forget become dim. And the rigs I wish I'd shot... If it makes you feel any better, not only am I doing my stuff, but also what my father shot. He's been gone more than 20 years and had been a buff starting about 1950. He was also a news photographer. Trying to figure out the info for his pics and movies is like an archeological dig. Match this broken piece of pottery to that one.
I was fortunate to grow up in an area with quite a variety of fire departments when there were a lot of fires. But the Northeast gets most of the spotlight it seems. Ohio and all it's industrial cities has as many stories I am sure.
Thanks for increasing my knowledge and understanding of a place fondly remembered from a while ago.
PS. We had dinner in an Italian restaurant. Don't remember the name but the food was good too.
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on February 22, 2010, 01:59:46 PM
In the mid to late 1970's, mini pumpers were all the rage.  Dayton took delivery of a
1977 Saulsbury / Dodge 300/250 and assigned it as Attack Pumper 3.  It was the 2nd rig to be delivered in LIme Green.  I remember watching evolutions at the Training Center where AP-3 would pull up and dump its tank through the deck gun and then lay out the 5" hose to the engine.  I can't quite recall if they reversed or did a forward lay.  It kicked around a little and ended up at Sta. 8 as BT-8 for Brush Truck 8. 

I'm guessing that your Italian Restaurant was either Anarino's or Anticcoli's.  Anarino's was on N. Keowee just over the river.  Anticcoli's was on Salem Ave. not too far from Good Samaritan Hospital.  Both, like the mini, are Long Gone :'(

Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on February 23, 2010, 02:09:37 PM
I seem to recall that in the 1970's Dayton had 7 spare engines numbered 21 to 27 and 3 spare trucks numbered 31 to 33.  I wish I could remember where each was housed.  I remember E-11 had a spare engine for sure.  Truck 31 was at the 16's.  E-21 eventually became a 1st line company when the Dayton FIre Department established a new engine company in the late 70's or early 80's.
I always wondered why they chose that number instead of using one from a previously disbanded station. Station 21 was located on Frederick Pike just North of Needmore Rd.  Dayton was thought as being pretty progressive at that time for leasing the building instead of buying it.  I don't know if that idea ever really caught on any where else.  Their 1st engine was a 1959 Seagrave 900B
# L.1201.  E-21 is no more, so I guess they were smart to lease the building after all.
Here are the serial #'s for the few spares that I managed to record.
1952 Seagrave 900B F.6935 - E-27
1955 Seagrave 900B H.7330
1957 Seagrave 900B J.9671
1946 Seagrave 12JA 65' C.7835 - Tr. 31
1951 Seagrave 12JA 65' F.2400 - Tr. 33

I am sure sorry that I can't tell you more.  You know what they say, "If I only knew then what I know now", I surely would have taken more photos & way better notes!!


Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: FAO25 on February 23, 2010, 03:44:54 PM
Apology completely unwarranted. I greatly appreciate your time and effort. The hows and whys of departments are the stimulus for many discussions over coffee and other beverages. It is fascinating.
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on February 24, 2010, 01:07:04 PM
I will wrap this up with the last 2 deliveries for the 1970's.  In 1978 Dayton placed 2 Hahn engines at E-4 and E-11.  Box 2565 posted a photo of E-11 on page 2 of the Hahn thread.  A lot has happened in these 32 intervening years.  The DFD is a shell of its former self as are many other departments across the US.  I am awaiting the month of May as Dayton is expecting 2 new HME engines.  Maybe E-4 will get one ;)  The other good news is they have returned to red apparatus :)
Now, where are my notes from the 1980's????
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: franksansev on February 25, 2010, 01:25:42 AM
Interesting topic FAO25. And many thanks to Buckeye for his most informative info.

FAO25 are you perhaps from a major metro area in the Northeast or perhaps the New England area?


Thanks again for the post.
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 03, 2010, 10:15:34 AM
I dusted off the scanner and here we go.

Dayton, OH E-2
1967 Mack C95FD1626
1000/300
John Denney Photo - May 1982

Note the 2 MARS Lights on the roof of this and all Dayton rigs from this era.
They had clear lenses and I always thought that they were pretty effective.
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 03, 2010, 10:18:12 AM
Dayton, OH  E-2
1982 FMC / Spartan
1500/500
John Denney Photo - 10/1982
1 of 5 delivered.
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 03, 2010, 10:23:07 AM
Dayton, OH  Tr. 2
1955 Seagrave
100'
900T
H.7340
John Denney Photo - 5/1982
I believe that this rig was running as Truck 3
when I shot it and would have replaced the Snorkel for a short time.
The new WLF / LTI was already in service at Co. 2 at this time.
This was the 1st tillered aerial I ever rode on.
I was at the training center while a guy was taking his driver's test for tillerman.  
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 03, 2010, 10:29:04 AM
Dayton, OH  Tr. 2
1978 WLF
1500/???/100' LTI
80-1379
John Denney Photos
Snow - 2/1979
Training Center - 5/1980
A photo of this rig after rebuilding is listed earlier in this thread.
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 03, 2010, 10:34:53 AM
Dayton, OH  Foam Truck
1965 Kidde / GMC
13,500 CFM Hi Expansion Foam
# 110
John Denney Photo - 6/1984

This rig was running out of Station 2 when I shot it.
I'm pretty sure it moved over to the new Station 11
before it was replaced by the next posting.
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 03, 2010, 10:40:21 AM
Dayton, OH Foam Truck
1987 National Foam / GMC
1000/500/500
#1301
John Denney Photo - 1/1989
This rig is still in service at Co. 11

That's all for today.....I hope that you enjoyed the photos.

Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: boardmansteve on May 03, 2010, 12:20:05 PM
Dayton, OH  Foam Truck
1965 Kidde / GMC
13,500 CFM Hi Expansion Foam
# 110
John Denney Photo - 6/1984

This rig was running out of Station 2 when I shot it.
I'm pretty sure it moved over to the new Station 11
before it was replaced by the next posting.

Neat rig...just when we think we've seen 'em all!
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 03, 2010, 12:35:19 PM
Yes, it was an interesting rig.  I was able to see it in action it twice.  Once at the Training Center and once at a 3 Alarm in a vacant factory at 3rd & Garfield.  Dearborn, MI had a twin to this one, but was painted Lime Green.  I'll have to see if Box 2565 ever posted that one.
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: FAO25 on May 03, 2010, 09:04:29 PM
Wow!
Buckeye this is great.
Thanks again.
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 04, 2010, 09:46:46 AM
You are welcome and here are some more.

Dayton, OH  E-3
1976 WLF
1500/500
80-1379
John Denney Photo - 10/1980

This was the last rig that E-3 was assigned.  Sta. 3 & Sta. 11 were both closed when the new Sta. 11 was opened.  E-3 & the Snorkel disappeared and they kept E-11 and made a new Tr. 11.  Station 3 survived for a while as a St. Vincent DePaul shelter, but the building was torn down and the vacant lot is all that remains.  Old Station 11 is privately owned and still stands on Brown St. at Park.  The 1976 WLF remained in the fleet for a long time and I believe that it was the first rig given when they opened E-12 up on the Northeast side of town. 
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 04, 2010, 09:53:51 AM
Dayton, OH  Snorkel 1
1968 Pierce / FWD
75'
FWD # Q.4120
John Denney Photo - 9/1983

This photo was taken on 5th St. on the opposite curb from the station.  This station was opened when they closed old Sta. 1 & Sta. 3.  I always wondered why they chose to use Co. 3 instead of Co. 1?  And, when they closed this station and the old 11's, the new station used Co. 11.
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 04, 2010, 10:01:36 AM
Dayton, OH  Attack Pumper 3
1977 Saulsbury / Dodge
250/250
John Denney Photos
AP-3  2/1981
BT 8  1/1989

This rig kicked around a little and ended up at Co. 8 as Brush Truck 8.
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 04, 2010, 10:04:56 AM
Dayton, OH  E-4
1980 Hahn
1500/500
John Denney Photo 5/1981
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 04, 2010, 10:10:48 AM
Dayton, OH  Rescue 1
1984 Indiana / Ford
John Denney Photo 7/1984

I am not 100% sure what station this rig responded from.  Prior to this rig, Unit 1 was the recsue and ran from Co. 4.  They were equipped with an IH Metro Step Van.  I sure wish I had shot that.
I have a vague memory that this Indiana / Ford may have been at Station 2?  The photograph is at the Training Center.  I should have taken better notes!!  This rig still survives as Rescue 2 and is at Co. 14.
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 04, 2010, 10:15:06 AM
Dayton, OH  E-8
1968 Mack
1000/500
CF685F10????
John Denney Photo 10/1978
Before I took good notes and after this one was repainted.  Too Little, Too Late!!
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 04, 2010, 10:16:24 AM
Dayton, OH  E-8
1982 FMC / Spartan
1500/500
John Denney Photo  10/1982
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 04, 2010, 10:22:09 AM
Dayton, OH  E-9
1971 Hahn
1000/500
John Denney Photo 3/1981

I shot this rig at the 16's.  A much easier place to shoot than the 9's.  This rig was replaced by one of the 1982 FMC / Spartans and I never photographed it.  Of the 5 FMC's 3 carry on as E-One Glider Kits.  2 were rehabbed by RPI over in Tipton, IN and were used by E-9 until they were disbanded.  Station 9 still stands on Salem Ave & Oxford.
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 04, 2010, 10:25:50 AM
Dayton, OH  E-10
1962 Seagrave
1000/150
900B
M.9025
John Denney Photo 3/1982

I was always disappointed that I did not get to shoot these 70th Anniversary rigs when they were still red. 

Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 04, 2010, 10:29:34 AM
Dayton, OH  E-10
1982 FMC / Spartan
1500/500
John Denney Photo 10/1982

At this time Co. 10 also had a Aerial Ladder assigned.  It was a 85' Thibault on a GMC chassis.
I never got that one either, but you'll see a look a like when we get to the 13's.  Now E-10 is a single engine down on S. Broadway & Weaver.

Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 04, 2010, 10:31:37 AM
Dayton, OH  E-11
1961 Seagrave
1000/150
900B
M.1075
John Denney Photo 3/1981

This photograph was taken at Co. 21.
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 04, 2010, 10:34:53 AM
Dayton, OH  E-11
1980 Hahn
1500/500
John Denney Photo 3/1981

Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 04, 2010, 10:39:13 AM
Dayton, OH  Truck 11
1984 Sutphen
1500/300/100'
HS 1808
John Denney Photo 4/1985

I shot this rig at the 4's.  For some strange reason I think it actually ran out of this station until the new 11's was completed.  This was the 1st rig for this newly established Truck Co.  This rig still survives with its original # even though there is a newer ladder in service at the same station.
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 04, 2010, 10:44:54 AM
Since there was not a Co. 12 at this time I think that this would be a good place to quit.  The original 12's was at the corner of Huffman & Linden on Dayton's East side.  It was disbanded a long time ago and although the building survived for a time, it has since been demolished.  A new Co. 12's would be established up on Brandt Pike near Needmore Rd.  It had a Dayton engine and a HUber Heights Medic.  That arrangement lasted a little while, but now the 12's is a single engine.  We'll pick it up with the 13's next time.
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 05, 2010, 03:13:02 PM
Dayton, OH  E-13
1965 Pirsch GMC
1000/200
PI-89
John Denney Photos 9/1978 & 9/1979
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 05, 2010, 03:15:47 PM
Dayton, OH  Tr. 13
1966 Thibault / GMC
85'  200/200
1 of 2 purchased.  The other ran at Co. 10 & I never shot it.
John Denney Photo 9/1980
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 05, 2010, 03:19:03 PM
Dayton, OH  E-13
1982 FMC / Spartan
1500/500
John Denney Photo 10/1982
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 05, 2010, 03:23:00 PM
Dayton, OH  Tr. 13
1987 E-One
1500/200/110'
1 of 2 purchased.  The other ran at Co. 15 & I never shot it.  I think Box 2565 posted Tr. 15 on the E-One thread.
John Denney Photo 1/1989 - Who says you can't shoot in January in Ohio ;)

Co. 13 is now a single Co. that runs an ALF Quint.

Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 05, 2010, 03:24:15 PM
Dayton, OH  Unit 2 @ Co. 13
Air Truck
1982 DFD Shops / Ford
John Denney Photo 9/1983
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 07, 2010, 08:43:48 AM
Dayton, OH  E-14
1967 Mack
1000 GPM
C951563
John Denney Photo 2/1978
You will see this rig again with a different #.  The City of Dayton closed Sta.14 at N. Main & Forest and Sta. 20 at Fairview & Catalpa.  14's had an engine and truck while the 20's was a single engine.
A new Station 14 was built on N. Main & Fairview.  E-20's rig was newer than E-14's 70th Anniversary Seagrave so it was repainted and continued on.  BTW, this photo is at Sta. 16.

Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 07, 2010, 08:47:20 AM
Dayton, OH  Tr. 14
1971 Thibault Duplex
75'  250/250
John Denney Photo 7/1982
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 07, 2010, 08:53:20 AM
Dayton, OH  E-14
1985 Sutphen
1500/750
HS1898
John Denney Photo 4/1985

This rig replaced the C Model Mack. 
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 07, 2010, 09:05:21 AM
Dayton, OH  E-15
1962 Seagrave
1000/150
900B
M.9026
John Denney Photos 9/1979

This rig is a twin to E-10 that is posted above.  This was my only example of showing the Officer's side & the rear hose bed.  

Old Station 15 was located at Wayne Ave. & Medford.  I never shot the truck there.  They had a  CF Mack / Maxim 75' aerial.  The City of Dayton closed Sta. 15 and Sta. 19.  The 19's was a single engine at Wayne Ave. & Fauver.  The new Sta. 15 was built on Wayne Ave. near Highland.
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 07, 2010, 09:07:05 AM
Dayton, OH  E-15
1985 Sutphen
1500/750
HS1897
John Denney Photo 4/1985

This rig is still a spare @ Co. 16
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 08, 2010, 11:54:03 PM
Dayton, OH  E-16
1971 Hahn
1000/500
Model C10
John Denney Photo 3/1979


Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 08, 2010, 11:56:43 PM
Dayton, OH  Tr.16
1955 Seagrave
65'
900A
H.7335
John Denney Photo 9/1979
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 09, 2010, 12:01:03 AM
Dayton, OH  Tr. 31 Spare @ Co. 16
1946 Seagrave
65'
12JB
C.7835
John Denney Photo 9/1979

I hit the motherlode on that nice September day in 1979 with these 3 rigs.
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 09, 2010, 12:06:52 AM
Dayton, OH  Tr.16
1968 Mack / Maxim
75'  200/200
#1024
John Denney Photo 3/1981

This rig started out as Aerial Ladder 18.  This rig moved for a short time to Co. 2 and was the second truck at that station.  This rig would split runs with Ladder 2, the '55 Seagrave 100' TT.
Eventually it went out to the West Side.  It had a twin at Co. 15, but I never shot that rig :'(
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 10, 2010, 10:22:26 AM
Dayton, OH  E-17
1965 Mack
1000/100
B951240
John Denney Photo 10/1980

One of my All Time Favorite DFD Engines!
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: FAO25 on May 10, 2010, 10:24:56 PM
Dayton, OH  E-15
1962 Seagrave
1000/150
900B
M.9026
John Denney Photos 9/1979

This rig is a twin to E-10 that is posted above.  This was my only example of showing the Officer's side & the rear hose bed.  

Old Station 15 was located at Wayne Ave. & Medford.  I never shot the truck there.  They had a  CF Mack / Maxim 75' aerial.  The City of Dayton closed Sta. 15 and Sta. 19.  The 19's was a single engine at Wayne Ave. & Fauver.  The new Sta. 15 was built on Wayne Ave. near Highland.

Great shots all, but the one of 15's behind is special. Showing the hose bed lay out often gets left out. Every piece would be be too much but this gives an idea of how they worked. And those split bed Seagraves are special all by themselves.
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 11, 2010, 11:06:08 AM
Thanks, I'm glad you liked the pics.  E-10 & E-15 were not the last rigs in Dayton to have a split hosebed.  
E-13's 1965 Pirsch/GMC and the 1965 B Model Mack at the 17's also had the split bed.  This practice ended with the C Model Macks that were delivered in 1966.
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 11, 2010, 11:08:23 AM
Dayton, OH  E-18
1968 Mack
1000/500
CF685F10-1016
John Denney Photo 9/1983

I'm glad I got at least on of them in Red.  The clock on the wall must be right.  Not much mirror shadow on the door and the power line shadows have not crept up on the rig yet ;)
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 11, 2010, 11:14:52 AM
Dayton, OH  E-18
1988 Sutphen
1500/750
HS 2151
John Denney Photo 1/1989

Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 12, 2010, 09:10:37 AM
Dayton, OH  E-19
1966 Mack
1000/300
C951429
John Denney Photo 9/1978

Engine 19 was a single engine up on Wayne Ave. a block off Smithville.  It was closed and combined with Co. 15.  E-19 is gone, but their old station still stands.
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 12, 2010, 09:15:17 AM
Dayton, OH  E-20
1967 Mack
1000/300
C95FD1563
John Denney Photos
E-20 - 9/1978
E-108 - 1/1989

Engine 20 was a single engine located at Fairview & Catalpa.  It was closed and combined with Co. 14.  E-20 is gone, but their old station still stands.  This rig appears earlier in the post after it became E-14 and I included it as a spare @ Co. 8.
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 12, 2010, 09:30:41 AM
Dayton, OH  E-21
1959 Seagrave
1000/150
900B
L.1201
John Denney Photo  Seagrave 3/1981
                             
1988 Sutphen
1500/500
HS 2152
John Denney Photo 11/2007

Co. 21 was located on Frederick Pike just west of Needmore Rd.  It did not last very long.  In the end they had a hand me down 1988 Sutphen.  It is still carries # 21 and is at the Training Center.
It will most likely be disposed of when the 2 new HME's go in service at Co. 4 & Co. 15.
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 12, 2010, 09:34:31 AM
Dayton, OH  E-27 
1952 Seagrave
1000/150
900B
F.6935
John Denney Photo 2/1979

This was a spare engine
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 12, 2010, 09:35:38 AM
Dayton, OH  RE-13  
1955 Seagrave
1000/150
900B
H.3330
John Denney Photo 9/1980

This was a spare engine
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 12, 2010, 09:36:27 AM
Dayton, OH  E-22 
1957 Seagrave
1000/150
900B
J.9671
John Denney Photo 3/1979

This was a spare engine
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 12, 2010, 09:41:50 AM
Dayton, OH  Tr. 33
1951 Seagrave
65'
12JA
F.2400
John Denney Photo 12/1978

A spare ladder.

This is the last photo I have for this thread.  If I ever come across any more I will be sure to post them.  I hope that you have enjoyed this glimpse of The Dayton Fire Department.
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: daysleeper47 on May 12, 2010, 11:08:47 AM
These have been great photos! Thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 12, 2010, 11:55:10 AM
You are very welcome.  I just wish I had a few more to share with everyone.  Ah, the ones that got away  :-\
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: truckhound on May 12, 2010, 12:44:25 PM
I have been with Dayton for 24 years and am 1 of 2 "serious" historians of the department and I must say these were great photos.  Although I have info on them, several of these I've never seen in a photo.  I really appreciate you posting them as well as having taken the time to document them.
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: mikezbfd on June 11, 2012, 03:44:11 PM
Is station 21 still active? My sister lives in Dayton and used to spend summers there as a kid in the 70s, I remember when that station opened up.
By the way, nice shots!!
Mike
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Billd on November 10, 2013, 01:58:20 PM
Station 21 on Frederick Pk. was closed some time ago.  I knew some ff's station there.

I'm happy I stumbled onto this site. I remember all the old Seagraves 1940's and the 70th anniversery models.  I found one photo of old engine 8, a Ahren's-Fox with a Buckeye Roto-beam light on the roof oof the cab, on antother site, and a 1940's Seagrave, Eng. 13 pumping a fire.

Does anyone have any old photographs of the old 1955 and 58 Pontiac, and 60s Cadillac ambulances ? I found 1 photo of a 55 Pontiac outside of 18 house on Smithville Rd., but, it was taken from a distance.

A big thank you to who ever posted these photographs. They brouught back many memories.   8)
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Billd on November 11, 2013, 10:16:09 AM
  When I was a kid, I'd ride my bicycle to all of the fire stations in Dayton, with the exception of 17s, 16s and 20s., which I rode the City Transit busses to. The closest stations to my house was, 12s, 18s, and 2 & 6, which was a double company at the time. The Air truck at 2s was a GMC step van. 2s also had a boat. The ambulances that were staffed were 2, 18, 10 and 16. 5 and 6 were reserve ambulances. Prior to the International Metro, Unit 1 was Chevy or Reo (like the old Civil Defense Rescues) delivery type truck body. The Foam truck was orignally at 3s along with the Snorkel
which replaced an open cab TDA with a wooden ladder, I believe was an Ahrens or American LaFrance .
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: mikezbfd on November 11, 2013, 05:54:36 PM
Some good info, thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: Billd on November 12, 2013, 01:39:04 PM
Buckeye 53, I too saw the Old GMC Foam truck used at the old Staco Factory at E. Third and So. Garfield St. I live at 22 So. Garfield, across the street.
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: 56 Central on October 14, 2017, 09:20:29 AM
I took this photo at a fire muster at Carillon Park in the early 80's. It was lettered as Dayton tanker 10. It was the one and only time I saw it. I have it as a 52 Federal Duplex.
Title: Re: Dayton Fire Dept Circa 1970
Post by: truckhound on October 14, 2017, 07:03:07 PM
It's still around.  I took this picture at the Old Timers Days at the Greene County fairgrounds in Xenia last month.