General Fire Discussion => Scenarios => Topic started by: grumpyff on October 20, 2008, 12:24:50 AM

Title: Car fire in semi attached garage.
Post by: grumpyff on October 20, 2008, 12:24:50 AM
Its 1400 hours on a clear sunny Thursday.  Your fire department is dispatched to a reported structure fire at 123 Any Street.  You are the Lieutenant on the first due engine (1500gpm/1000), with a crew of a driver and one fire fighter, followed by your ladder, responding driver alone (100' tower).  Enroute to the scene dispatch reports several calls , including one from the home owner stating "he was using a torch to repair a car in the garage, when it caught fire."  You hear your 1st Assistant chief sign on, and immediately call for mutual aid tankers, as this section of town has no hydrants, the closest source of water is lake  a little over a mile away, with a dry hydrant. You are four blocks out when the 1st Asst. chief arrives on scene and gives the following size-up "working structure fire in a 30' by 50'  1 and a half story wood frame residential/  Primary search is negative,  fire contained to the two cars/ garage at this time."  The Chief is reporting no access to the garage from the interior of the house, only the double garage door, and an exterior door on the rear of the house.  Your closest mutual aid department is still at least 10 to 15 minutes away.

As the engine company officer, which line due you pull? Where do you stretch it given your limited manpower?  What other concerns due you have?
Title: Re: Car fire in semi attached garage.
Post by: FAO25 on October 28, 2008, 10:29:28 AM
My biggest concerns are the "Torch" and the limited water supply.  There is some difference between a dolly with acetylene and oxygen tanks standing there and a small hand held propane torch.  Whether the "Garage Doors" are open or closed also makes a difference. At this point the only life hazard, apparently, will be the firefighters making the attack. There is a possibility of extension to the home if the garage fire remains uncontrolled.
My choice would be to reverse lay a 2 1/2" hand line with a combination fog pipe.  After pulling off enough line to make the stretch, I would direct the Driver/Operator of the Engine to pull past the fire building to a point where it was the least exposed in the event of a tank failure and in a position for a Porta-Tank to be set up next to it. I would make an attack with the available water and attempt knockdown or control for it's duration. When I am out of water I would leave the line and move my crew to a safe location.  I would notify the Incident Commander and then await his/her orders.
Title: Re: Car fire in semi attached garage.
Post by: shermanator on August 19, 2009, 12:28:41 AM
Most towns have 1 ladder, 3 pumpers, and 2 brush units.  I would request that the chief send engine2 and brush1, leaving engine3 and brush2 at the station.  I would drop 2000' of 5" line and park engine1 just past the driveway, and the ladder infront of the house, before the driveway.  Then I would have engine2 drop enough 5" line to make it to the lake.  Have Engine2 draft from the lake, while engine1 uses the deck gun to put water into the garage, after the door is ripped down.  By the time engine1 is out of water, engine2 will have water coming from the lake to a portable deck gun(not mounted to the truck).  While this is going on, have brush1 use a 1-1/2" line to cool the acetylene tank.  A 2-1/2" line might knock over the torch, breaking the valve off, and either sending the tank flying or causing an explosion.  When the tanker shows up have it hook up to engine1 and resume using the deck gun.  If there is a safe moment to do so, pull the torch outside away from the fire.  Hook up brush1 to the tanker and keep the house cool with the 1-1/2" line.
The big concerns in this scenario are the acetylene torch, keeping the fire from spreading, the gasoline in the cars, and if the cars in the garage are new enough, the hood struts for opening the hood and trunk.

The acetylene torch or the cars could explode spreading the fire, possibly killing someone, or damaging the hose cutting off the water supply.

If the fire spreads the house could be a loss.  If the adjascnet houses are too close they could ignite.

The hood struts for opening car hoods can explode, sending the ram through someone or the truck. (I saw a fire where the cars hood struts blew and a piece went through the garage across the street.

I am not sure if any of this is right, so let me know what is wrong.  I am only 20 and dont know much about fighting fires (most of my knowledge involves trucks).
Title: Re: Car fire in semi attached garage.
Post by: cbk1 on August 19, 2009, 11:07:11 PM
well the chief should direct you to the strategy and tactics to be employed....

5" fron the last intersection, off to the fire side of the road so the truck can still make approach. Stop the engine shortly past the house and ensure that the driveway does not cause an exposure issue to the pumper if the fuel tanks leak. Truck gets the address.

My choice a 2.5" goes to the fire in the garage, flows with one guy 1.25" sb flows 330 w/ class a), he flows it only enough to darken the fire if total extinguishment is not possible.  I get a walk around while looking for extension into the house. My next guy takes 1 and 3/4 (flows 185 with class a) to front door, forces and I meet with him. We along with truck guy (6' hook) enter and ensure no extension into the house.

1000 gallons is all we have so hit fast and big, make the difference with big force, done fast.