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Title: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: Box 2565 on August 09, 2006, 02:48:30 AM
This topic will show photos for what is probably the most active fire department in the United States for structure fires.   These first couple of pictures are from August 4, 2006 and show a vacant house along the Jeffries Freeway.

Engine 10 stretched on 7 buildings Friday night!
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: Box 2565 on August 15, 2006, 01:40:21 AM
While waiting for the crew at Engine 9/Ladder 6 to finish lunch so that we could have the apparatus positioned I heard a couple of guys across the street yell "Fire" and then walk away.  Thinking that the anonymus duo was messing with me I ignored them.  A few moments later the alarm went off for Engine 9 to respond to a report of a blazing automobile.

I guess I should have turned around when they yelled......
Title: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: Box 2565 on February 02, 2007, 01:26:49 PM
About an hour after our visit to Engine 9/Ladder 6 we were at Engine 10's house when they received a Box Alarm for a building fire.  We left as soon as Engine 10 cleared the station and you could see the smoke in the distance. I don't recall all of the companies assigned, but the Engines were 8, 27, and 10 along with Truck 8.  The fire was on West Jefferson Avenue between the 8's house and the 27's area.

As it turned out the "building" had already burned down.  I do mean down.  The fire was in a pile of remnants of what used to be a building.  Fairly quick knockdown by Engines 8 & 27, but it took a while to pull through all of the junk to get the fire out.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on April 01, 2007, 12:14:41 PM
October 24, 2006
Vinewood & Toledo
Four story brick 150x300

Same fire was on the front cover of Firehouse Magazine January 2007
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on April 01, 2007, 12:17:05 PM
October 16, 2006
Cloverlawn & Elmhusrt
Second Alarm
Commercial laundry service
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on April 01, 2007, 12:19:34 PM
October 27, 2006
Maxwell n/o E. Warren
Vacant dwelling
Title: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: Box 2565 on June 15, 2007, 08:57:04 PM
The day after the Jackson flea market (04/29/07) 4 of us buff types headed into Detroit to photograph apparatus.  While I was trying to figure out how to get my scanner to work (a function that I'm not very good at) a large, dark cloud of smoke appeared just off of I-94.  The fire was around the intersection of 17th & Forest and although I would have thought we were going to a 3rd alarm by the huge volume of smoke, the fire involved a 1 1/2 story abandoned single family dwelling.
Title: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: Box 2565 on June 15, 2007, 09:06:46 PM
This house was the second building fire that occurred within just a few minutes in the same area.  As a result all of the responding companies had a long drive on the response.
Title: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: Box 2565 on June 15, 2007, 09:11:26 PM
The roof of the building was burned through and a ladder pipe was set up by Ladder 28.  In the first photo you can see Engine 8 leading out to the hydrant to establish a water supply for the ladder company.

All photos - Steve Hagy
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: Box 2565 on July 01, 2007, 06:49:04 AM
On April 30th, 2007 our little group continued to take photos in Detroit.  While we were at the quarters of Engine 58/Squad 6 the Engine was dispatched to a garage fire on Grayton Street between Riad and Payton Streets.  Garage fires are still alarms in Detroit and an engine and a truck complete the assignment.  Ladder 31 responded with the 58's.

In the first photo you can see the 58's leaving from the lot across the street from the station where we had posed the apparatus for photos.  Photo #2 shows them heading up Whittier Street towards the fire.  Photo #3 has Engine 58 pulling up to the hydrant at Riad and Grayton (this run was only a couple of blocks from quarters so we were at the location quickly).

Steve Hagy photos.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: Box 2565 on July 03, 2007, 03:31:33 PM
I hadn't planned on posting this series in installments, but I ran out of time Sunday!

Photo #4 - The bundle has been dropped in front of the garage.  The standard fire attack in Detroit is made using a 2 1/2" line that is wyed into a pair of 1 1/2" lines.  The "bundle" is strapped to the back of the engine and is pulled into the street once the first engine engine arrives.

Photo #5 - It's on fire.  Water is starting to come through the line.  Notice the second 1 1/2" from the bundle in the street.

Photo #6 - We've got water!  Notice the burning power line above the garage. 

Steve Hagy photos.
Title: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: Box 2565 on July 03, 2007, 04:17:06 PM
Photo #7 - Most of the visible fire has been knocked down.

Photo #8 - Ladder 31 arrives on the scene.

Photo #9 - Just the shell of the garage is left.  Truck 31 is coming over to assist in overhauling the ruins.

Steve Hagy photo.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on January 01, 2008, 04:40:55 PM
01/01/08
Second alarm at West End & Vanderbilt
Vacant McMillan School
First extra alarm fire for 2008
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on January 21, 2008, 06:00:20 PM
01/21/08
Dubios & E. Palmer
Engine 5, 9, 17, 23, 41, Ladder 6, 7, Squad 3, Chief 1, Medic 6 and EMS Supervisor
Three engines stretched, one ladder pipe, one aerial platform and many handlines working
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: daysleeper47 on January 22, 2008, 09:19:20 AM
How does DFD use the different color helmets? I see red, black and yellow in the same shot. Thanks!
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on January 22, 2008, 04:37:29 PM
Black and yellow helmets - fire fighters
Red helmets -  company officers (Sergants, Lieutenants, Captains)
White helmet - Battalion Chief and higher.

At this particular fire, Chief 1 was a captain acting as battalion chief for the shift.

Dan
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: sdavey on January 23, 2008, 12:41:21 PM
August 4, 2007

Box AlarmĀ 
East Grand Boulevard and Agnes

Steven Davey Photos
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: sdavey on January 24, 2008, 05:28:43 PM
Box Alarm  April 13, 2007
9400 Block of Stone Street near Woodmere
Delray Section of Detroit

Engines 33, 29 and 27 Ladder 13 Squad 4 Chief 7

Steven Davey Photos
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on March 02, 2008, 07:15:49 AM
03/01/08
Second Alarm
Beaufiat & Pulford
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on March 28, 2008, 07:46:56 PM
03/28/08
Fourth Str. south of MLK Blvd
Vacant two story apartment building, in a former housing project that is in the process of being torn down.
Engines 1, 5, 8, 10, 17, Ladder 7, 20, Squad 2, 4 and Chief 5
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: sdavey on May 08, 2008, 12:09:12 AM
Detroit Michigan - May 6, 2008
Taft between Grand River and Interstate 96
Engine 10-34-39-42 Ladder 21-22 Squad 4 Chief 5

Steven Davey Photos
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on June 02, 2008, 07:39:19 PM
06/01/08
Vacant dwelling
35th & Jackson
E10,27,34 L8,22 S4 C7
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: sdavey on July 13, 2008, 03:41:41 AM
Saturday July 5, 2008
Box Alarm - Two Dwellings
16th between Warren and Forest
Engines 5-17-39-10
Ladder 7-20
Squad 4
Chief 5
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: sdavey on October 05, 2008, 04:10:20 AM
Detroit, Michigan  10/03/2008
Box Alarm w/ Extra Companies
Vinewood near West Warren

Engines 5-8-17-21
Ladder 22-8
Squad 2
Chief 7

Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on October 05, 2008, 07:33:35 AM
10/04/08
2917-21 W. Warren
E5,10,17,39 L7 S4 C5
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on January 04, 2009, 07:12:40 PM
01/04/09
Two vacant dwellings
2736-42 Cody w/o Jos. Campau
E56,44,40,35,23 L30,18,17 S3 C5
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on January 06, 2009, 06:59:49 PM
01/06/09
Second alarm
13815 Gratiot
One story vacant hardware store
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on February 14, 2009, 10:18:50 AM
02/14/09
Second alarm
Garfield bet John R & Woodward
Vacant apartment house
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on February 20, 2009, 04:09:52 PM
2/18/09
Second alarm
Burt Rd. & Verne
Occupied 3 story L shaped apt. house
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: Buckeye 53 on March 03, 2009, 10:32:32 AM
March 3, 2009 about 0138 hours , Detroit L-14 returned from a fire in a vacant building to find their station on fire.  The Box was struck for E-23, E-32, E-38, Squad 3, and Chief 6.  E-46 responded as the 4th engine for RIT.   The Station was opened in 1901 for E-26 and Ladder 14 moved in 1939.  E-26 was disbanded in July of 2005.  Below is a link to the Detroit Free Press about the fire.
http://www.freep.com/article/20090303/NEWS01/90303006/Blaze+destroys+firehouse+on+Detroit+s+east+sideSad Day for the DFD and the Brothers & Sisters at Ladder 14 :'(
Station Photo by Jack Connors
L-14 Photo by John Denney
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: Buckeye 53 on March 04, 2009, 09:44:03 PM
Here is a link from Firehouse.com about the cause of the fire.

http://cms.firehouse.com/content/article/article.jsp?id=62947&sectionId=46

OH, My God.......Literally

BTW, L-14 is now running out of E-38's house. 
Ladder Co. 29 had been disbanded some time ago.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on March 22, 2009, 08:11:58 AM
3/21/09
Second alarm
8240 Grand River
Vacant church
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on March 22, 2009, 08:14:15 AM
3/21/09
Second alarm
Alfred e/o Orleans
Commercial building
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: sdavey on April 19, 2009, 06:16:30 PM
2/16/2009
Box Alarm
Whitney and Wildermere

Engines 10, 34, 42, 49
Ladders 18, 21
Squad 2
Chief 7
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: sdavey on April 19, 2009, 06:17:18 PM
2/23/2009
Box Alarm
Tarnow North of McGraw

Engines 10, 27, 34 and 42
Ladder 22
Squad 4
Chief 7
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: sdavey on May 10, 2009, 08:25:12 PM
Second Alarm
May 9, 2009

Joseph Campau at East Davison
Former Lasky Furniture Store

Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: squad546 on May 12, 2009, 11:53:32 PM
Great shots, especially the roof work!
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 14, 2009, 09:13:11 AM
After attending the Jackson Flea Market on Saturday April 25, 2009 we headed over to Detroit for a tour and dinner.  Sometime around 1930 hours, as we were pulling into the parking lot of the Bailey Cork, a restaurant located at Trumbull & Bagley, Central Office put out a Box Alarm for a dwelling at N. Martindale & Kay for  E-39, E-42, E-49, L-21, SQ 5, Chief 5. Chief 2 came in service & took the run. We left the restaurant and hit the Fisher Fwy (I-75) near the remains of Tiger Stadium as Central Office put out another Box Alarm for Chief 7, just West of us.  As we turned North on the Jefferies Fwy (I-96) we could see a pretty good header in the setting sun as Central Office put out a 3rd Box Alarm up on Boston Road for an apartment building.  We knew we had a fire somewhere up there. E-42 arrived and reported that they were stretching on a dwelling.  Chief 2 reported a fire in the attic of a 2 story occupied dwelling and asked for an Engine for RIT and E-40 responded.  Chief 7's Box was false and so was the run on Boston Road.  L-28 came over to the fire on Martindale from their run on Boston Road. Photo 4 shows L-21's stick up to the roof.  Just over the rig you can see the ground ladder to the 2nd floor porch.  Crews are up in the 2nd floor pulling the ceiling to get at the fire above them.  I kept waiting for the fire to blow out of the dormer above them, but it never did as the crews made a tremendous stop.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 14, 2009, 10:05:29 AM
OK, now we're done on Martindale and we head back to the Bailey Cork to try for dinner again.  We took the scanner in but weren't sure we'd be able to hear do to the live Irish music.  We did hear E-33 catch a Still Alarm and a little bit later as the beers arrived, we heard E-29 ask for the 2nd Alarm.  So much for Box 2565's first taste of Harp :'(. We didn't mind leaving too much as they were out of Corned Beef, Shepards Pie, and Dingle Pie anyway >:(.  As we headed South down Trumbull we saw E-8 come off Lafayette and then turn right on Fort St. headed West.  We knew the fire was on W. Jefferson in a commercial building close to the 29's house and we could see it coming down Trumbull.  We turned West on Fort as Chief 7 was asking for a Platform to be special called and Ladder 6 responded.  We made it to the Grand Blvd as we were passed by an EMS Chief, Car 203, the Senior Chief for the day, and E-5.  Man that 2000 ALF can still fly.  Needless to say they left us behind.  We arrived on the scene to find vacant 2 story 50 X 100 commercial through the roof. I found a nice parking place on the street not blocked by hose & out of the smoke.  I'm not sure when the alarm came in but it must have been around 2045.  Apparently someone came to E-29 quarters to report a possible fire down the street.  When they looked it was already through the roof.  As near as I can remember the Box Alarm was E-29, E-27, E-33, E-10 RIT, L-13, Chief 7.  2nd Alarm was E-34, E-5, E-8, L-8, Chief 5 and 203.  Ladder 6 was Special Called for a platform.  A long night ahead for all the members.  Crews were back on the scene Sunday morning and caught another commercial building in the next block Sunday night. 
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: Buckeye 53 on May 14, 2009, 10:08:05 AM
More from the 2nd Alarm at W. Jefferson & Carey.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: Box 2565 on June 13, 2009, 12:47:16 PM
After attending the Jackson Flea Market on Saturday April 25, 2009 we headed over to Detroit for a tour and dinner.  Sometime around 1930 hours, as we were pulling into the parking lot of the Bailey Cork, a restaurant located at Trumbull & Bagley, Central Office put out a Box Alarm for a dwelling at N. Martindale & Kay for  E-39, E-42, E-49, L-21, SQ 5, Chief 5. Chief 2 came in service & took the run. We left the restaurant and hit the Fisher Fwy (I-75) near the remains of Tiger Stadium as Central Office put out another Box Alarm for Chief 7, just West of us.  As we turned North on the Jefferies Fwy (I-96) we could see a pretty good header in the setting sun as Central Office put out a 3rd Box Alarm up on Boston Road for an apartment building.  We knew we had a fire somewhere up there. E-42 arrived and reported that they were stretching on a dwelling.  Chief 2 reported a fire in the attic of a 2 story occupied dwelling and asked for an Engine for RIT and E-40 responded.  Chief 7's Box was false and so was the run on Boston Road.  L-28 came over to the fire on Martindale from their run on Boston Road. Photo 4 shows L-21's stick up to the roof.  Just over the rig you can see the ground ladder to the 2nd floor porch.  Crews are up in the 2nd floor pulling the ceiling to get at the fire above them.  I kept waiting for the fire to blow out of the dormer above them, but it never did as the crews made a tremendous stop.
Here are a few of mine from this fire.
Title: Detroit, Michigan - Box Alarm on Martindale
Post by: Box 2565 on June 13, 2009, 01:59:50 PM
More photos from Martindale.
Steve Hagy photos.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on June 30, 2009, 08:47:02 PM
06/28/09
Second alarm
Vacant Packard plant
Concord & E.Grd. Blvd.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: MFDPhoto1 on July 01, 2009, 03:03:12 PM
Detroit, MI
June 20, 1943

A pumper [probably Seagrave] responding on a run
note; the guys "gearing-up" while en route...on the tailboard, and the military Jeep at right

LIFE Magazine photo
by Gordon Coster

Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: squad546 on July 03, 2009, 11:17:24 PM
How many times is the old Packard plant going to burn before they demolish it?!
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on July 22, 2009, 05:38:40 PM
07/15/09
5616 23rd n/o Hudson
Engines 10, 34, 42, Ladder 21, Chief 7
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on August 23, 2009, 06:15:37 PM
08/21/09
Second alarm
5800 block of W Fort
Stores converted into a warehouse
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: sdavey on August 25, 2009, 01:03:22 AM
Box Alarm 8/24/09
Junction at Howard
Appliance Store and Dwelling Fire.

E8 E10 E27 E33 L13 SQ2 BC7


Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on August 25, 2009, 05:02:06 PM
08/24/09
Second alarm
15477 Woodrow Wilson
Chemical factory
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on August 31, 2009, 04:51:53 PM
08/30/09
Garage fire
75 W. Nevada
Engine 44 and Ladder 18
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: Buckeye 53 on September 13, 2009, 06:27:47 PM
Saturday September 12, 2009 @ 1620 hours
Box Alarm @ W. Grand Blvd & Cobb Pl.
E-10, 34, 42, L-22, Sq. 4, Chief 5 on the box
E-39 picked up from a still and went as the 4th Engine.
L-7 was also sent as a 2nd truck ( they were running with L-1's rig )

It turned out to be a small fire in a 5 story Apartment Bldg on the SE corner of Milford & WGB.

I was in Detroit with my wife for a college sporting event and testing my new GRE 600 Digital scanner.  I was heading West on Warren about 4 blocks from the Grand Blvd. when the Box was announced.  If the bridge over I-94 hadn't been closed, I would have been right behind Squad 4.
I still beat 2 engines, 2 trucks, and the Chief to the scene.  Not much of a fire & they were able to use the red line and get everybody picked up quickly so they could get back home for dinner and the end of the Michigan - Notre Dame game. 

E-34 was the only rig on the scene that I did not have a photo of and they posed it for me before they left the scene.  Everyone up there is so nice & agreeable to help me get good photos!!

Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on November 23, 2009, 06:03:00 PM
11/22/09
1434 Atkinson
Engine 17,35,39
Ladder 28, 7 (using L24's apparatus)
Squad 4
Chief 5
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on November 25, 2009, 04:30:48 PM
11/25/09
Third alarm
5517 Canton
Vacant school
At its peak four aerials were operating, Ladders 6, 7, 16 and 20.

Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: Buckeye 53 on November 25, 2009, 05:00:28 PM
Nice Photos Dan.  I am thankful, on this day before Thanksgiving, that you posted them.
Does Central still tell the co.s to " prepare to throw your sticks"?  I always liked hearing that in the
old days.  With a nod to retired FEO Wayne, " Make Some One Smile Today" :)
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: Box 2565 on December 08, 2009, 02:51:13 AM
OK, now we're done on Martindale and we head back to the Bailey Cork to try for dinner again.  We took the scanner in but weren't sure we'd be able to hear do to the live Irish music.  We did hear E-33 catch a Still Alarm and a little bit later as the beers arrived, we heard E-29 ask for the 2nd Alarm.  So much for Box 2565's first taste of Harp :'(. We didn't mind leaving too much as they were out of Corned Beef, Shepards Pie, and Dingle Pie anyway >:(.  As we headed South down Trumbull we saw E-8 come off Lafayette and then turn right on Fort St. headed West.  We knew the fire was on W. Jefferson in a commercial building close to the 29's house and we could see it coming down Trumbull.  We turned West on Fort as Chief 7 was asking for a Platform to be special called and Ladder 6 responded.  We made it to the Grand Blvd as we were passed by an EMS Chief, Car 203, the Senior Chief for the day, and E-5.  Man that 2000 ALF can still fly.  Needless to say they left us behind.  We arrived on the scene to find vacant 2 story 50 X 100 commercial through the roof. I found a nice parking place on the street not blocked by hose & out of the smoke.  I'm not sure when the alarm came in but it must have been around 2045.  Apparently someone came to E-29 quarters to report a possible fire down the street.  When they looked it was already through the roof.  As near as I can remember the Box Alarm was E-29, E-27, E-33, E-10 RIT, L-13, Chief 7.  2nd Alarm was E-34, E-5, E-8, L-8, Chief 5 and 203.  Ladder 6 was Special Called for a platform.  A long night ahead for all the members.  Crews were back on the scene Sunday morning and caught another commercial building in the next block Sunday night. 
Bailey Cork was a disapointment as I didn't have time to dance a jig.  A few of my photos from West Jefferson.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: Box 2565 on December 08, 2009, 02:52:46 AM
More on West Jefferson.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: squad546 on December 08, 2009, 11:52:15 PM
Great photos again. A reliable source told me they were pretty busy today.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on December 24, 2009, 06:44:55 AM
12/23/2009
Grand River & Buchanan
E1,5,8,17, L7,20, S2, C5
Relief Co's E34,39, L28, S4

E10 was involved in an injury accident at 14th & Buchanan, responding to this fire. S 2 was needed to extricate civilians from the auto, no fire fighter injuries.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on January 01, 2010, 10:53:55 AM
12/31/09
Third alarm
109 W. Alexandrine
Four story 50x300 occupied apartment house
Two civilian fatals and six injuries
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: squad546 on January 20, 2010, 01:31:05 AM
Since the old Packard plant had another fire, thought I'd add this photo from the Wayne State archives.

1959 photo, I believe this would be shortly after the factory shutdown car production.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on January 30, 2010, 03:07:39 PM
01/29/10
Chene bet E. Forest & Garfield
E5,9,23,41, L6,10,20, S3, C1, 203
Relief Co's:  E17 for E41, E46 for L6
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on February 24, 2010, 04:56:04 PM
02/23/10
Second alarm
Chene & E. Alexandrine
Two story 75x150 building
Ladders 6, 10 and 20 at work
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on April 04, 2010, 07:57:04 AM
04/03/10
Second alarm
3039 E. Seven Mile Rd.
One story collison shop
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on April 26, 2010, 05:04:57 PM
04/25/10
W. Jefferson & S. West End
Vacant 2 sty 150x150
E27,29,33, L6,13, S4, C7,203, plus several rounds of relief.


Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: Buckeye 53 on April 26, 2010, 08:13:11 PM
Thanks for the post.  I knew something might hapen since we skipped out on Jackson this year.
How close was this to the fire we went to last year?  Take Care, John.

Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on April 27, 2010, 06:35:03 AM
One block away. The brown building behind Engine 29 went to second alarm a couple of hours after I took these pictures.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on July 03, 2010, 03:07:33 PM
07/02/10
Third Alarm
Schaefer s/o Joy Rd
Vacant apt. bldg., 2 sty approx 100x400
 
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on July 03, 2010, 03:09:23 PM
More third alarm images from Joy Rd & Schaefer
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: Buckeye 53 on July 03, 2010, 05:07:53 PM
Hi Dan,

I see Detroit is having another very busy 4th of July weekend.  I hope all the members are OK.
Thanks for posting these.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: UpstateFire on July 03, 2010, 10:40:09 PM
Man!  Im in the wrong Fire Dept......lol
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: squad546 on August 02, 2010, 10:11:29 PM
2/24/90-4 alarm fire on Beaufait.
AP photo
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: squad546 on August 02, 2010, 10:16:12 PM
1970 fire on Trumbull & Fort at the Trumbull Hotel.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: Buckeye 53 on August 05, 2010, 08:23:43 PM
I was in Detroit today in advance of the Thunder Over Michigan Air Show at Willow Run Airport.  My goal was to photograph some apparatus, but it was a very cloudy day with some rain in the afternoon.  The Companies were out on the street doing "Fill the Boot "for the MDA.  I was killing time on the East Side testing my Garmin and visiting a station or two.  I was just leaving Ladder 10 when Central announced a Box Alarm on McClellan between Goethe & Charlevoix.  I could see the loom up as soon as I turned off Mt. Elliot onto Gratiot.  E-41 arrived with 2 dwellings going and passed command and told the second engine to prepare to dump their monitor.  E-32 & E-38, L-14, Squad 6, Chief 6 were also on the box.  Chief 6 reported he had 3 dwellings going and asked for a 4th engine.  He also asked for a 2nd truck and a second squad.  I beat E-9, L-6, and I was ahead od Squad 3 for a short while, but they lost me on Mack Ave.   L-14 & L-6 had the front and at least 3 engines went to a hydrant.  All 3 dwellings were a total loss.  My apologies to Box 2565 who was not with me on this trip, this was one of the biggest fires I have ever gone to in Detroit.  Hey fcdan, sorry to jump in on your territory.....I'll see you Sunday ;)
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: Will on August 05, 2010, 09:59:47 PM
Wow that's crazy. Off topic here but does anyone have a link to a news story that was done about the Detroit Fire Dept a couple years ago? I remember there were several filmed interviews with firefighters and i believe they filmed a ride along as well. It showed how bad some of the conditions of the stations and gear were as well.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: FAO25 on August 05, 2010, 10:47:32 PM
I was in Detroit today in advance of the Thunder Over Michigan Air Show at Willow Run Airport.  My goal was to photograph some apparatus, but it was a very cloudy day with some rain in the afternoon.  The Companies were out on the street doing "Fill the Boot "for the MDA.  I was killing time on the East Side testing my Garmin and visiting a station or two.  I was just leaving Ladder 10 when Central announced a Box Alarm on McClellan between Goethe & Charlevoix.  I could see the loom up as soon as I turned off Mt. Elliot onto Gratiot.  E-41 arrived with 2 dwellings going and passed command and told the second engine to prepare to dump their monitor.  E-32 & E-38, L-14, Squad 6, Chief 6 were also on the box.  Chief 6 reported he had 3 dwellings going and asked for a 4th engine.  He also asked for a 2nd truck and a second squad.  I beat E-9, L-6, and I was ahead od Squad 3 for a short while, but they lost me on Mack Ave.   L-14 & L-6 had the front and at least 3 engines went to a hydrant.  All 3 dwellings were a total loss.  My apologies to Box 2565 who was not with me on this trip, this was one of the biggest fires I have ever gone to in Detroit.  Hey fcdan, sorry to jump in on your territory.....I'll see you Sunday ;)

Nice pics.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: squad546 on August 05, 2010, 11:29:28 PM
Great photos Buckeye! Sounded like they had trouble with water pressure on the hydrants on top of everything else.

Will, the video you're looking for was made shortly after the death of Walter Harris, might've been Freep or Detroit News. I'll see if I can find it.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on August 09, 2010, 03:39:39 PM
08/09/10
Second alarm
Harper & Maxwell
Vacant store fronts and apartments
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: Buckeye 53 on August 10, 2010, 09:43:16 AM
I guess I left too soon after the air show!  I drove by this location on Thursday while testing the Garmin.  I had just left L-10 when the Box Alarm on McClellan came in.  You win the battle of the big fire. Sorry to have missed you at Willow Run.  While I was up your way Dayton, OH had a fire this weekend that was 5 houses.  Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: Will on August 14, 2010, 11:21:40 AM
This isn't the video I was looking for but was shown this link on a another site. Very good video about Detroit FD.

http://www.detroitfire.org/
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: Will on September 07, 2010, 11:59:55 PM
I was reading on firehouse.com and apparently Detroit is ablaze tonight. A member posted that there are no available units and truck are either running out of fuel on scene or having to stop for fuel before going on to the next call. This article here states more then 80 fires.

http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/local_news/breaking%3A-3-homes-are-on-fire-on-detroit%27s-east-side
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on September 08, 2010, 03:49:31 PM
09/07/10
Moenart s/o Luce, dwellings and garages
This is the third extra alarm fire in about a two hour period.
Winds gusts of 40 to 50 mph, low humidity, many fires, created long response times.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: squad546 on September 08, 2010, 11:13:48 PM
They had one hell of a day yesterday! Despite their financial situation, they did an impressive job.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: jim trk 1 on September 09, 2010, 12:49:46 AM
I'll have to head up there someday.. Just have to make sure I have memory cards for my camera..
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: ajr107 on September 09, 2010, 11:25:38 AM
The did the best that could of considering what they were faced with.  However, they did recieve mutual aid from at least six fire departments from the burbs.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on October 07, 2010, 03:47:27 PM
10/1/10
Second alarm
7415 E. Seven Mile
Storage building behind a vacant church
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on November 01, 2010, 06:53:25 PM
10/30/10
Barham & Southampton - vacant dwelling

Lillibridge & E. Canfield - vacant dwelling (Engine 38)
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on November 01, 2010, 06:55:18 PM
10/30/10

Pennsylvania & Slyvestor - vacant dwelling

Charleviox & Ellery - vacant dwelling
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: Buckeye 53 on November 01, 2010, 08:22:45 PM
Nice to see E-21 back on the street.  I liked the shot of E-38 also.  Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on November 01, 2010, 08:28:04 PM
Thats Engine 23 using Engine 21's apparatus. Engine 21 was in service for three days using a spare.

Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: Buckeye 53 on November 02, 2010, 12:18:48 AM
I think that when I was up in August for Thunder Over Michigan, the 23's was using the 21's rig then.  I like to listen in on the "Angels Night" operations and hear some of the old Co.s and X's on the air.  Makes me think of the good old days!
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: PFD1 on November 03, 2010, 11:09:36 AM
I was downtown Detroit on "Angels night" for a Red Wing game and never saw or heard a rig. I was hoping to get some pictures after the game.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on November 14, 2010, 10:13:06 AM
11/13/10
2820-26 Hale
E1,5,9,23, L10, S3, C1
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on November 25, 2010, 11:27:25 AM
11/24/10
Harper & Maxwell
E41,46,50,  L7,16,19,  S3, C9,203, M14
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: Buckeye 53 on November 25, 2010, 09:31:14 PM
Thanks for posting Dan.  Great pics for everyone to see. I wonder how many alarms would have been struck at a fire of this size in Chicago, New York, or almost any other large city?  DFD gets a Box and not much else. 
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on November 29, 2010, 04:05:06 PM
11/27/10
Vacant dwelling at 13286 Hubbell
E53,49,30, L25, S1, C2
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on November 29, 2010, 04:07:48 PM
11/28/10
Second alarm
Watson bet John R & Brush
Vacant apt house 4 story 50x200
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: GTW6401 on May 24, 2011, 05:12:22 AM
2nd Alarm  
Fenkell and Braile
May 22, 2011
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: GTW6401 on May 24, 2011, 05:19:11 AM
Second Alarm
Fenkell and Linwood
May 10, 2011
Paul Robeson School Fire
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: GTW6401 on May 24, 2011, 05:24:09 AM
Second Alarm
Gratiot and French Road
March 19, 2011

Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: Engine33Truck on May 24, 2011, 10:25:12 AM
Nice photos!  Exactly how much of DFD is left as opposed to their glory days?  Further more, how much of the City of Detroit is still left inhabited?  I've seen many pictures and read many articles of Detroit's glory days and it's fairly sad looking at photos of the city today, like the National Theatre, the old Packard plant, the old Luben Apartments (which are burning in a photo above), the Farwell building, Lee Plaza Hotel, United Artists Theatre, East Methodist Church, Michigan Central Station, etc.  I could go on, but either way, it's sad what's happened to that city.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: Will on May 24, 2011, 04:03:02 PM
I saw on a TV show this weekend where an officer with DFD said they were 200 to 300 firefighters short and average 10 stations closed a day with brown out.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: johnmocha on May 24, 2011, 06:20:16 PM
Here's a great movie currently under production on the Detroit FD.  It's a documentary, not Hollywood.  Excellent footage and interviews.
http://detroitfirefilm.org/
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: Engine33Truck on May 24, 2011, 10:05:13 PM
That's a scary figure.  They only have, what, 35 houses?? and 10 of them are regularly closed???  And I went to that website.  It looks like it's going to be a wonderful movie!
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: johnmocha on May 24, 2011, 11:42:16 PM
Did you catch the part where the fire investigator states that they had 500 arson related fires that month!  Wow....   I can't recall where but I saw an article that stated that Detroit is fighting more  fires per man per month than any other fire department at any other time.  Hard to believe they are beating FDNY in the war years but when you hear one firefighter states " We had 10 fires in one night".  Given the number of buildings in the city and the size of the department this seems plausible. 
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: Engine33Truck on May 25, 2011, 12:00:57 AM
It almost sounds like Detroit will become unsaveable within the next few years because it'll all burn down, LOL.  But seriously, never before have I heard of an FD where the FFs run 10 workers per tour.  I make jokes that DCFD runs a lot of fires, because their official facebook page posts all their calls, and they seem to have one worker every other day, thereabouts, but Detroit FD's struggle is almost unreal!  The mayor has to be blind to say the FD is not doing enough and warrant budget cuts, closing houses and leaving the place 200-300 FFs short!
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: Will on May 25, 2011, 12:24:39 AM
Ever since I saw this videohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8iyKkhok0A&feature=feedf (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8iyKkhok0A&feature=feedf) I've been kind of following Detroit's story. I can't wait for "Burn" to come out. They put up another preview on their Facebook page a week or so ago showing some of the footage they shot this winter.

The last FF interviewed in the clip I posted is the Walter Harris that they mention dieing in a LODD the the "Burn" preview also.

How these guys do what they do amazes me. I'd love to do a ride along with them for a shift. I know I would see enough fires there in 1 24hr period that it would equal what my dept runs for structure fires in a year.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: GTW6401 on May 25, 2011, 02:30:05 AM
The first major cuts to the DFD happened in 1976, when the city's population was at around 1.4 million people.    They had 46 Engines, 29 Trucks, 9 Squads and 11 battalions after the 1976 cuts were made.   

There are currently 37 Engines, 23 Trucks, 6 Squads, A Haz-Mat and 8 Battalions. 

However, there are at least 5 engines and 2 trucks out of service each day.  Their rigs are being used by other companies due to a lack of spares.   Entire firehouses aren't being closed, but they will close one company.

Fire companies in Detroit do not run on EMS runs, except for when the medics have larger patients to move.   The medics are getting new units from Wheeled Coach that will be Road Rescues, which is a first of this style.    The current Ford/Wheeled Coach units aren't lasting more than 2 years due to the run volume and poor condition of Detroit streets.

Its hard to compare Detroit to other major cities because fire companies arent running on EMS calls, and have a large number of false alarms.   It seems like half the box alarms dispatched turn out to be false.

The City of Detroit is currently facing a HUGE deficit of around 150 million dollars, and the city council and Mayor Bing are in a serious budget battle.  The council wants to cut an additional $12 million dollars from police and fire, which the mayor will veto.  A new fire commissioner also started this week who was an assistant chief in Los Angeles, so there will some other changes coming from within the department aside from anything going on with the budget.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: Engine33Truck on May 25, 2011, 08:41:49 AM
Thanks for the update.  I'm really interested in Detroit's story.  Motor City is in big trouble, and not just from the sky high crime rate (and yet the city council wants to make cuts from police and fire?), but also financial problems.  It was the crime rate that originally forced a lot of the businesses to the suburbs, and now the deficit is keeping businesses from coming in.  Our brothers up there have a big battle to fight.  But it's a good fight, and, as the BURN website stated, DFD is one of the oldest and proudest fire departments in the US.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: FAO25 on May 25, 2011, 11:44:26 AM
I too am a "Fan" of the Detroit Fire Department. I started following them many years ago (love those Gerstenslager Squads) in Firehouse and Turnout Magazines. They were always well represented in the "old" Fire Engineering too. The coverage of their fires was excellent and the articles on their operations by Paxton Mendholsen (probably the wrong spelling) were very interesting. Any one who has seen the video of the 1987 (I think) warehouse fire where three firefighters died cannot help being touched and impressed by what the DFD faces.
Regarding the number of workers. That is an interesting point. With the increased use of the term "Worker" it is much easier to identify activity. The amount of running 40-50 years ago to actual fires might not have been so far off. Since manpower was higher and in many communities initial alarm response was larger. It might be only a Box. But the Box could be in for anywhere from 30 minutes to 6 hours. The number of fully involved vacant houses like you see today in Detroit I agree is higher.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: Engine33Truck on May 25, 2011, 02:25:44 PM
I believe that, while the City of Detroit is the embodiment of recession, the DFD is the embodiment of who firefighters are.  We will do our job under any adversity, any weather, any socioeconomic situation, and the firefighters of DFD prove that.  That FD is fighting a huge uphill and somewhat losing battle, yet the firefighters go back to their house day after day and fight. 
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: Mill_Fire512 on June 12, 2011, 04:31:43 PM
How many Sutphen towers does Detroit run?  Furthermore, do they have any other Sutphen apparatus besides the towers?

Trav!
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on June 12, 2011, 04:52:57 PM
Detroit FD has three Sutphen platforms, Ladder 6 (Mt. Elliott & E. Lafayette), Ladder 7 (Second & Burroughs) and Ladder 17 (Dexter & Ewald Circle). Besides these three, there are no other Sutphens on the roster.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: Mill_Fire512 on June 13, 2011, 05:54:26 PM
Thanks for the quick reply!

Trav!
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: START WATER on June 16, 2011, 01:52:26 PM
i was very happy when th  commissioer, chief   issued a order
to stay out of  vacants  unless you
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: START WATER on June 16, 2011, 03:23:40 PM
OPPS STAY OUT OF VACANTS  IS THE NEW ORDER IN DETROIT

I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO A BIG THING HERE I HAVE BEEN IN DETROIT A WHILE AGO  IN PHILADELPHIA  ANY DWELLING OR BUILDING BEYOUND  BEING FIXED UP ,IE MISSING WALL ETC IS NOT A DWELLING OR BUILDING FIRE ITS REPORTED  IN HEADQUARTERS AS  RUBBISH ITS  LIKE THE OLD  CARS ON THE HIGHWAY  AUTO FIRE NOPE  RUBBISH ON THE HIGHWAY  . UNTILL EVERYONE REPORTS THE SAME THING THE SAME WAY WE WILL NOT REALLY KNOW 
HOW TO COMPARE  ANYTHING , ITS LIKE RUNS AND WORKERS

PHILLY SENDS  I COMPANY ENG OR LADDER FOR ALARM SYSTEM S   OTHERS   SEND 5 CO'S   I WAS TOLD IN NJ THEY MUST SEND A ENG LADDER AND CHIEF ON ALARM  SYSTEMS .   IF WE DID THAT IN PHILLY THERE BE NO CHIEFS LEFT TO SEND .
EVERYONE HAS THEIR OWN PROBLEMS . 
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: squad546 on June 18, 2011, 12:19:03 AM
It is somewhat confusing what the new commissioner was explaining. He's going to leave it up to the chief in charge at each fire but overall no going into vacant buildings unless there's reason to believe there is someone inside. When I started I remember being told "Never assume a building is vacant/abandoned". Oh well.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: START WATER on June 18, 2011, 01:46:56 PM
YEASQUAD SAME THING  HERE IN pHILLY UNTILYOU SESRCH YOU DON'T KNOW  .    NOW THE NUMBER OF VACANTS  WENT SKY HIGH  AND THE NUMBER OF LODDS  AND INJURIES  WENT HIGH ALSO 

    BOSTON FD  I BELIEVE HAD A LIVE  BUILDING AND A DEAD BUILDING , FDNY  MARKED THE FRONT WALL  YEARS AGO WITH A SYMBOL MEANING TOOD BAD TO ENTER

AND I LIKE TO ADD  WE LOST TWO FF'S  THIS  PAST WEEK  TO UNOCCUP0IED  BUILDINGS , WHY ???? 

THIS  WEEKEND IS ONE OF THE WORSE IN HISTORY  FOR  LODDS

FDNY  , BOSTON , AND CHARLESTON AND AGAIN WHY ?

A HARDWARE STORE  , A VACANT HOTEL  BEING REBUILT  AND THE SOFA STORE ,   ALL OF WHICH WERE UNOCCUPIED  AT THE TIME

I STARTED OUT IN 63  LINE IN LADDERS UP NO MATTER WHAT
NOW WE HAVE ABUNCE OF  WORDS LIKE TRUSS  ,BLEIVE  AND MANY MORE  AND YET  WE SEEM TO FORGET THEM AND DIVE IN ANYWAY

AND MAY ALL OR  DEPARTED BROTHERS  RIP ,START WATER

Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: squad546 on June 25, 2011, 12:09:26 AM
1946 Detroit Fire at National Soap Co Wire Photo, photographer name on the back is Hoffman.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: squad546 on June 25, 2011, 12:15:45 AM
Unknown fire on Trumball, January 20th 1970, with an ice covered Mack Squrt & crew. Detroit News
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: GTW6401 on July 17, 2011, 01:17:20 AM
7-16-11
Box Alarm at Spokane and Beechwood
Fire in a 4 Unit Apartment Building

Engines 42,34,39,10    Ladder 21   Squad 4   Chief 5

 
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: FAO25 on July 17, 2011, 01:37:13 PM
7-16-11
Box Alarm at Spokane and Beechwood
Fire in a 4 Unit Apartment Building

Engines 42,34,39,10    Ladder 21   Squad 4   Chief 5

 

Nice Pic. My guess would be, vacant at time of the fire?
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on October 30, 2011, 04:41:14 PM
10/29/11
Coventry bet Lantz & E. State Fair
E44,51,56,L18,S5,C8
Caught this on the way home from a second alarm
The last image explains the term "second engine to dump the monitor"
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on November 13, 2011, 07:34:20 AM
11/12/11
16th and Buchanan
E8,10,34,42, L7, S4, C5
Relief Co's: E1, L28

Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: GTW6401 on February 06, 2012, 09:57:59 AM
2/15/12
Box Alarm - 15th near Selden

Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: squad546 on February 15, 2012, 01:33:58 AM
Great photos GTW!
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: RDW on March 02, 2012, 11:03:39 PM
Looking for information and any advice about Detroit, where's the best area for the most action in Detroit? What are the frequencies for Detroit? Are they on digital? I know Detroit is Detroit so no I don't plan on nightime action. When getting pics at fire scenes do large crowds gather? I'm looking for information so I can plan for IF I want to visit Detroit. I'm planning on attending the muster in Frankenmuth in July and I'm just looking for information so I can plan what I want to all get into. Thanks for any information you can provide. If you don't want to write it here, please feel free to send me a private message.


Sitting here listening now to Detroit on the computer, sounds like they are dealing with high wiinds. They are running multiple calls for wires down.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: GTW6401 on March 25, 2012, 11:52:56 PM
Box Alarm -  Packard Plant
March 25, 2012

Standing order is for all fires in the Packard Plant to be defensive only due to condition of the building.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: daysleeper47 on March 26, 2012, 10:18:36 AM
I would imagine they have to go in at some point. Do they just keep pouring water on it until they *think* it's out?
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: hfdcap on March 26, 2012, 10:21:11 AM
Looks like just the one outrigger is out..unless it's a tiller
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: daysleeper47 on March 26, 2012, 02:01:50 PM
hfdcap, I'm not familiar with tiller ops. Would you not need both outriggers down?
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on March 26, 2012, 03:44:44 PM
Ladder 16 is not a tiller, Pierce rearmount.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: GTW6401 on March 26, 2012, 04:33:16 PM
The reason they don't go into the Packard Plant anymore is that the entire complex is vacant, full of garbage and other debris.  Multiple  parts of the complex have collapsed.   It should tell you something if Detroit firefighters wont go into the building considering how offensive minded they are.   

Another issue is that many people like to come down from the suburbs and wander around Packard taking photos, tagging or people stripping to find parts for scrap.   Detroit Police were removing people from the building across the street during last nights fire, which was mostly just trash burning on the 3rd floor, but generated a lot of smoke which brought people out of the woodwork.     Some made it upstairs and were breaking glass, which luckily didn't come crashing down to the sidewalk below.    There are many interior shots from Packard on sites like Flickr if you want to see what inside is like.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: hfdcap on March 26, 2012, 09:30:21 PM
I was thinking the truck may have been angeled and the other outrigger was out of sight..guess not. Glad it did not make a headline of the wth kind
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: SixbyFire on March 26, 2012, 11:28:26 PM
Looking right next to the driver's side you can see the white and black outline of the driver's side outrigger, it has the same pattern as the officer's side one, if it was shortjacked it would be out of sight I think, I think just due to the angle you can't see it clearly.

Jeff
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: FAO25 on March 31, 2012, 12:31:50 PM
The reason they don't go into the Packard Plant anymore is that the entire complex is vacant, full of garbage and other debris.  Multiple  parts of the complex have collapsed.   It should tell you something if Detroit firefighters wont go into the building considering how offensive minded they are.   

Another issue is that many people like to come down from the suburbs and wander around Packard taking photos, tagging or people stripping to find parts for scrap.   Detroit Police were removing people from the building across the street during last nights fire, which was mostly just trash burning on the 3rd floor, but generated a lot of smoke which brought people out of the woodwork.     Some made it upstairs and were breaking glass, which luckily didn't come crashing down to the sidewalk below.    There are many interior shots from Packard on sites like Flickr if you want to see what inside is like.

I agree with GTW6401.
I would support the reasons why Detroit has made limited interior operations at the Packard Plant an order with the following...

http://detroitphoto1.smugmug.com/Detroit-Fire/DFD/9464923_LFjWnj#!i=635039399&k=UGDST

http://www.dffa344.org/index.cfm?zone=/unionactive/view_article.cfm&HomeID=238353

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Avis=C4&Dato=20120312&Kategori=NEWS&Lopenr=203120801&Ref=PH

http://www.usfa.fema.gov/downloads/pdf/publications/tr-003.pdf

If you can find the Firehouse or Fire Engineering articles on this fire, READ them. If you can find the video, watch it.
Vacant or abandoned buildings are not always empty buildings. Some times the fire load is incredible. When these buildings are abanoned they are not always cleaned out by the owners or tenants.

Please note the date this fire occured.

Rest in Peace   :'(
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: FAO25 on April 02, 2012, 08:26:07 PM
For those of you with an interest in the history of the D.F.D. I submit the following...

http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015071309804
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: ajr107 on April 02, 2012, 11:17:30 PM
Very interesting, informative as well as historical.  Thanks for posting this.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: GTW6401 on April 08, 2012, 10:50:35 PM
Box Alarm 
Conant near Hamtramck Drive 
April 8, 2012

Fire involving a pair of semi trailers.  Hamtramck FD also arrived on the scene.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on June 26, 2012, 05:08:22 PM
06/25/12
E. Forest and Mt. Elliot
E32,17,50,27  L19,20 S6 C9
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on June 26, 2012, 05:10:27 PM
06/25/12
E Hancock e/o McDougall
E50,5,38 L20 S6 C5
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: GTW6401 on June 27, 2012, 07:49:50 AM
2nd Alarm   6-25-12
Belleterre at Lipton
Vacant Apartment Building
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: FDNYTRUCKScom on June 27, 2012, 10:38:04 AM
if you look at this building on google earth it had a major collapse in the middle of the building, then if you look at the street view you cant see the collapse, but there's a 2.5 gallon gas can in the doorway!

2nd Alarm   6-25-12
Belleterre at Lipton
Vacant Apartment Building
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: daysleeper47 on June 27, 2012, 01:18:07 PM
Mike - good eye. That's pretty crazy. It's a d**n shame too, because there is a house at the corner of Belleterre at Lipton that is perfectly manicured that someone still cares about.

The view, for anyone that cares: https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Belleterre+at+Lipton,+Detroit,+Michigan&hl=en&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=57.553742,79.013672&t=h&hnear=Belleterre+St+%26+Lipton+Ave,+Detroit,+Wayne,+Michigan+48204&z=17
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on June 30, 2012, 06:58:46 AM
06/29/12
2725 W. Fort at St. Anne
E5,8,10,27,39 L8,7 S2 C7
Relief Co's: E35 for E27, L20 for L8
Second alarm at this same building in November 2005
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: squad546 on July 04, 2012, 01:30:07 AM
Sounds like Detroit has been busier then usual (if that's possible). I was up there for 1 day last weekend and never got any photos, they were too busy to sit still for more then 10 mins.  I saw they announced the list of closures;
Engines-5, 8, 20, 21, 23, 31, 33, 38, 42 and 47
Ladders-1, 10, 16, 24

I assume all the squads will be left in-service, the guys I talked to said they probably wont be able to keep all of them on each shift.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: GTW6401 on September 29, 2012, 12:29:20 AM
Engines 10, 32 and 49 are closed now. The apparatus of Engine 10 and 32 were reassigned to other companies, with 49s rig being used as a spare by the shops.

Engines 51 and 57 are being browned out most days.   

Engines 33 and 42 are in service most days, but Ladders 13 and 21, which are housed with them are out of service.

Ladders 13, 18, 19, 21, and 30 are being browned out most days.

Other companies are stuck picking up the slack, especially Ladders 6, 17, and 20.     Ladder 17 is basically the first due truck on every box in the 8th Battalion now.




Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: squad546 on September 29, 2012, 01:41:05 AM
Are all the squads still in-service or they close any of those?
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: GTW6401 on September 29, 2012, 08:10:25 AM
All 6 squads have remained in service.    A couple of them have been running on spare pumpers, but hey its transportation.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: squad546 on October 03, 2012, 02:05:52 AM
All 6 squads have remained in service.    A couple of them have been running on spare pumpers, but hey its transportation.
Agreed, better then nothing!
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: FAO25 on January 10, 2013, 11:31:57 PM
More Detroit Fire Info
N.B.F.U. Survey of Detroit from 1953

http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015071309812;#page/n0/mode/1up
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: squad546 on January 12, 2013, 12:43:40 AM
More Detroit Fire Info
N.B.F.U. Survey of Detroit from 1953

http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015071309812;#page/n0/mode/1up
Wow, bet they didn't know how good things were back in 1953! That was close to the peak for the city.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: FAO25 on January 12, 2013, 10:39:27 AM
More Detroit Fire Info
N.B.F.U. Survey of Detroit from 1953

http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015071309812;#page/n0/mode/1up
Wow, bet they didn't know how good things were back in 1953! That was close to the peak for the city.
I'm glad you enjoyed the post.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: michiganfire123 on April 07, 2013, 01:58:08 PM
I got to ask, living in the metro area most of my life and becoming a firefighter out in the sticks and wanting to move/work out towards detroit, does anyone know if they will hire in the next few years? i have friends in detroit, everything from a FEO, FF and officers and they loose guys on disability and due to retirement, even with cutbacks wont they need to replenish the ranks, i mean i would do anything to be a firefighter in detroit
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: squad546 on April 09, 2013, 01:36:05 AM
I got to ask, living in the metro area most of my life and becoming a firefighter out in the sticks and wanting to move/work out towards detroit, does anyone know if they will hire in the next few years? i have friends in detroit, everything from a FEO, FF and officers and they loose guys on disability and due to retirement, even with cutbacks wont they need to replenish the ranks, i mean i would do anything to be a firefighter in detroit
Good question, with the financial emergency manager, I don't know if the city will do any hiring for anything though.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: michiganfire123 on April 10, 2013, 05:30:11 PM
Well if anyone is detroit or knows more please speak up haha i feel they can only go so long, they will need new guys sooner or later
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: johnmocha on April 10, 2013, 10:04:36 PM
I believe in the documentary Burn they mention that the only new guys they have been getting come from other city departments.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on April 14, 2013, 02:01:40 PM
4/13/13
Third alarm at LaSalle and Buena Vista
Vacant apt bldg and vacant two flat
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: squad546 on April 17, 2013, 12:53:03 AM
Sounded like they had a pretty busy 4-5 days! Another vacant 2-story apartment bldg that went to 2 alarms, with a vacant 2-flat a couple blocks away at the sametime on Monday afternoon.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on May 21, 2013, 06:39:32 AM
05/20/13
15550-15670 Woodrow Wilson at Pilgrim
E40,30,35,39,42,44 L17,18  S5,2 C8,203
Highland Park E2, L1, Chief
Plus several rounds of relief.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: Box 2565 on May 21, 2013, 05:34:45 PM
05/20/13
15550-15670 Woodrow Wilson at Pilgrim
E40,30,35,39,42,44 L17,18  S5,2 C8,203
Highland Park E2, L1, Chief
Plus several rounds of relief.
Dan, Was this in HP or Detroit?  Was a 2nd alarm transmitted in Detroit or just a lot of calls for extra companies?  Steve
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on May 21, 2013, 05:42:08 PM
Fire was in Detroit, right on the Highland Park border. Highland Park and DFD arrived on the scene at the same time, HP went to work manning handlines. (I learned from the HP Fire Chief they have a Sutphen platform on order to go with there new fire station that should open in August). Not a second alarm, special call for extra companies.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on May 30, 2013, 04:17:31 PM
05/29/13
Second alarm at Chene and E. Ferry
Party store
A small portion of the parapet wall came down on the Chene side, injuring two firefighters, transported to DRH by Squad 3.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: squad546 on June 01, 2013, 12:57:54 AM
Any updates on the condition of the 2 FFs? I spotted a short article on one of the local news site, but not much else. Also, someone took a "drone" and flew it over the scene, interesting viewing!
http://youtu.be/YUmfiWV76zY (http://youtu.be/YUmfiWV76zY)
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on June 02, 2013, 09:49:40 AM
One fire fighter is still in the hospital, one has been released.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: squad546 on June 05, 2013, 01:15:50 AM
One fire fighter is still in the hospital, one has been released.
Thanks for the update, I think the guy on the ground took more of a beating then the one on the ladder.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on September 27, 2013, 03:44:58 PM
09/27/13
Martin and Pittsburgh
1 and 2 sty vac bldg, approx 500x500
Former Taystee Bread Co. factory
Mutual Aid Highland Park Ladder 1 and Chief 3
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: Box 2565 on September 28, 2013, 03:42:15 PM
09/27/13
Martin and Pittsburgh
1 and 2 sty vac bldg, approx 500x500
Former Taystee Bread Co. factory
Mutual Aid Highland Park Ladder 1 and Chief 3
A real surprise to see Highland Park on mutual aid to Detroit instead of the other way around.  Was this fire just a box alarm with extra companies?  Nice pics as always Dan.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on September 29, 2013, 06:57:42 AM
This fire was a box alarm with special call for additional companies. Highland Park was called to the scene, their fire chief (Chief 3) was made the safety officer.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: squad546 on October 01, 2013, 11:54:35 PM
09/27/13
Martin and Pittsburgh
1 and 2 sty vac bldg, approx 500x500
Former Taystee Bread Co. factory
Mutual Aid Highland Park Ladder 1 and Chief 3
It even made the NBC Nightly News that night. Any word on the engine that caught fire? I think they said it was Engine 27.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on October 02, 2013, 06:16:11 AM
Engine 27 was towed to the shop, as a last Saturday they were using TAC 2's rig.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on November 04, 2013, 03:39:25 PM
11/2/13
Chene and Medbury
Large rubbish fire from debris, that once was a vacant  one and two story building
E9,17,41,46, L6, S3, C1
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on November 24, 2013, 08:31:58 AM
11/23/13
1523 E. Jefferson
Second alarm
Vacant apartment building
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on November 27, 2013, 03:13:49 PM
11/26/13
7339 E. Jefferson
E41,52, 9, L6, 7, S3, C1
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on December 09, 2013, 04:05:35 PM
12/8/13
Medbury & Dubios: Two story structure fire between former St. Stanislaus church and school.
E1, 17, 41, 46, L7, 18, S3, C6, 1, 203

Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: scottflynn101 on December 09, 2013, 08:47:01 PM
Keep em coming. Go DFD!
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: hfdcap on December 10, 2013, 12:00:30 AM
Gotta ask - the different colored lights on the back of the cab - any significance? They are not the booster tank levels..ar they?  First time I have seen them....
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on December 10, 2013, 06:27:47 AM
Gotta ask - the different colored lights on the back of the cab - any significance? They are not the booster tank levels..ar they?  First time I have seen them....
Indicates water tank capacity.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on January 08, 2014, 06:41:25 PM
01/08/14
524-526 E. Kirby
E17,35,41,34, L7, S2, C1
Relief Co's E27, L6
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on January 12, 2014, 09:55:29 AM
1/10/14
Second alarm
17201 Pontchartrain
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on March 04, 2014, 07:23:21 PM
03/02/14
Hawthorne bet. Winchester & E. Eight Mile Rd.
Two dwellings, one vacant, one occupied
E35,17,42,39, L17, 18, S2, C8
Relief Co's E59, 9, S3.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on May 11, 2014, 06:58:40 PM
5/10/14
Second alarm at Woodward & Edmund Pl.
Vacant church, built 1890.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on July 07, 2014, 06:32:27 PM
07/05/14
Jos. Campau s/o E. McNichols
Second alarm
Family Dollar store
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on October 20, 2014, 04:20:34 PM
10/19/14
Grand River and Dundee
Vacant one and two story building
E42,34,39,17,27,40 L17,7 S5 C5 M1 EMS supervisor
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on November 30, 2014, 09:22:49 AM
11/27/14
W. Vernor and Central
Second alarm, vacant apartments over stores, 2 story 75x75
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on December 31, 2014, 07:21:44 AM
12/30/14
Dexter and S. Lodge Frwy. Ser. Dr.
Vacant two flat
E40, 42, 30, Hamtramck E1, Highland Park E2, L17, S4, C8, M10
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on January 04, 2015, 02:10:39 PM
1/1/15
Second alarm
Grand River and McGraw
Vacant stores, one story
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on January 20, 2015, 03:26:07 PM
01/18/15
Lincoln & Brainard
Second alarm
Vacant four story apartment building
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on February 22, 2015, 09:35:13 AM
2/20/15
Bryon and Webb
Vacant two story apartment building
E35, 39, 40, HP E2, L7, S2, C5
Relief Co's: E27, 34, HP L1, S3.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on March 01, 2015, 08:54:55 AM
02/27/15
8915 Marcus, one fatal and several injuries
E41, 50, 56, H E1, H E3, L23, S3, C9, H Chief, 203, DEMS, DEMS Supervisors
E 46 was involved in an accident en route to this box, no injuries, rig driveable.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on March 31, 2015, 06:25:19 PM
03/29/15
6457 McGraw at Cicotte
Vacant one story 50x100 building
E27,34,42, L22, 7, S4, C7
Relief Co's E39, L17
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on May 25, 2015, 08:34:46 PM
05/24/15
9000 gallon gasoline tanker jackknifed on the ramp from N Bd Fisher Frwy to the N Bd Chrysler Frwy
Engine 1, 9, 27, Ladder 6, 20, Squad 3, Chief 1, Haz Mat Unit
Special call Marathon Refinery, responded with pick up truck pulling a foam trailer and Foam Tanker 1.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: START WATER on September 19, 2015, 10:09:10 PM
THANK GOD THEY WENT TO VACANTS  STAY OUTSIDE THE LAST I READ   PHILLY  HAS A PROBLEM ALSO WITH VACANTS 

MANY F'S HAV BEEN IKNJURED  AND KILLED IN VACANTS FOR NO REASON   MY FFIENND IN CAMDN SAYS  THERE MIGHT BE A STREET PERSON IN THERE   AND I ASKED  EVERY FIND ONE   WELL NO  THEY ARE GONE BEFORE WE  EVEN KNOW ABOUT THE FIRE.  AT LEAST IN PHILLY THEY TEAR DOWN  MANY DANGEROUS  ONES LIKE WALL MISSING   ETC
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: scottflynn101 on December 11, 2015, 09:27:16 PM
The first week of October I was fortunate enough to have done a 48 hr ride along with the men of Squad 6 on the East side of Detroit.  Total we had 5 structure fires, and 4 false alarms in two days.  The guys on both shifts I cannot say enough about.  They appeared in high spirits and were willing to share their knowledge on any topic.  These guys were the best of the best.  I have never seen a fire attack so aggressive and with precision, and I walked away learning a lot.  So if you are a certified firefighter, I would encourage anyone to take advantage of the City of Detroit allowing you to do this. Here are just some of the shots I took.  And yes they let you work!!
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: scottflynn101 on December 11, 2015, 09:33:51 PM
The first pic is just before the flash and the second is a little help from L 23
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on July 04, 2016, 09:17:18 PM
July 1, 2016
Second alarm
Selden bet. Miracles Blvd. & S. Lodge Service Drive
Occupied  apartment building
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on October 21, 2016, 07:47:29 PM
10/21/16
Second alarm at 4242 E. Eight Mile
Furniture/mattress store
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on October 21, 2016, 07:50:27 PM
10/21/16
Second alarm at 99 E. Forest
One apartment on the 8th floor, occupied apartment building
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: squad546 on October 22, 2016, 04:43:45 AM
How many squads they have in-service now?
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on October 22, 2016, 07:25:34 AM
How many squads they have in-service now?
Six
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: fcdan on October 26, 2016, 08:00:33 AM
10/25/16
Second alarm at Seneca and Gratiot
Vacant 2 and 3 story building
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: GTW6401 on July 06, 2018, 05:54:46 PM
Today the DFD responded to a fire along the Detroit River near St. Jean and Freud Streets.   It was involving the former Boblo Island ferry boat St. Claire.   The St. Claire was used to transport patrons to Boblo until the park closed in the early 1990s.   It was in the process of being restored until today's fire occurred.   

The Curtis Randolph (Fireboat 1) was put to work, along with a full box alarm assignment.    I also included a photo from 2016.
Title: Re: Detroit, Michigan
Post by: MCT Medic on July 13, 2018, 10:31:11 PM
Little twist of Irony.   Captain Ken Horner of the Curtis Randolph Fireboat was also the skipper of the SS St. Claire for 2 years.    Sad end to a beautiful ship.   Hopefully they can fix her up and she doesn't wind up having a date with the breaker's torch.