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Title: Apparatus Lettering
Post by: District5 on August 21, 2002, 03:07:05 PM
Cincinnati has used the same basic style of lettering on their apparatus for about 100 years.  It is a heavy block style (almost Gothic looking) in gold with green and yellow shading.  Does anyone know of other departments that use this style of lettering with the same color combination?

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Title: CFD Apparatus Lettering
Post by: Box 2565 on August 22, 2002, 11:48:06 AM
Here is the typical 'C.F.D.' on the apparatus.
Steve Hagy photo.
Title: W.F.D. Apparatus Lettering
Post by: Box 2565 on September 08, 2002, 09:52:55 AM
The Washington, Ohio F.D. uses a similar lettering style to the C.F.D.  Hand painted, gold lettering with a combination of black and green shading creates a very pleasing appearance.  The lettering shown is on a 1962 Seagrave.  Steve Hagy photos.

Title: Re: Apparatus Lettering
Post by: Box 2565 on June 24, 2008, 11:15:30 AM
Hi!

Attached are a few photos taken this past Saturday at the Central Ohio Chapter of SPAAMFAA's muster at the Ohio Fire Academy in Reynoldsburg.  These photos show 3 pieces of Seagrave apparatus.  The first piece is an absolutely beautiful 1928 delivery (ex-Bucyrus, Ohio) that has been restored.  Check out the hood and gas tank!  Next up is the stylized lettering on the door of an ex-Barnesville, Ohio 1952 Seagrave engine (reportedly the first new rig purchased by the B.F.D.).  Although the "Old English" lettering is certainly different, the overall style of the lettering is similar to the Columbus F.D. door scheme of the time.  The final photo shows a combination of old and new lettering on a former Covington, Kentucky pumper that was one of a pair delivered in 1961.

Steve
Title: Re: Apparatus Lettering
Post by: Box 2565 on August 06, 2008, 04:47:02 PM
1937 Ford/Hahn formerly served Hamburg, Pennsylvania.
1948 Chevrolet/John Bean formerly served Collins, New York.
Lettering of the type shown on these rigs is no longer necessary as nobody rides the tailboard!
Title: Re: Apparatus Lettering
Post by: Buckeye 53 on August 23, 2008, 10:08:06 AM
Hood Details
X - Syracuse, NY  E-1
Privately Owned
1928 Seagrave
1000 GPM
Model 6-W-T
# 53715
John Denney Photos
Title: Re: Apparatus Lettering
Post by: Box 2565 on October 07, 2008, 02:34:10 AM
Grandview Heights, Ohio's 1936 Seagrave quad.  The big number "2" on the gas tank is really spectacular!  The second photo shows scroll work on the drivers seat.  You can see a photo of the rig at: Grandview Heights - 1936 Seagrave (http://www.youngstownfire.com/forums/index.php/topic,1358.new.html#new).
Steve Hagy photos.
Title: Maxim
Post by: Box 2565 on October 29, 2008, 05:39:33 AM
Lettering from a couple of vintage Maxim rigs.
Title: 1935 Mack
Post by: Box 2565 on October 31, 2008, 05:41:10 AM
Tipp City Ohio's 1935 Mack is in prime original condition.  Check out some of the striping and scroll work on this gem!  You can view photos of the complete apparatus by using this link: Tipp City - 1935 Mack (http://www.youngstownfire.com/forums/index.php/topic,7775.msg32889.html#msg32889).
Title: Apparatus Lettering
Post by: Box 2565 on February 26, 2009, 05:54:42 PM
This goose is on a 1930 Seagrave city service ladder that was originally purchased by Upper Nyack, New York and was later sold to Cooperstown.  I wonder if any Hall of Famers ever rode on this gem?
Steve Hagy photo.
Title: Re: Apparatus Lettering
Post by: RocklandFires on April 08, 2009, 03:24:21 AM
Steve, where is the Goose now ? I am from Central Nyack and would love to get a photo of the entire ladder truck if possible. Please send me an e-mail with details !

RocklandFires@aol.com

Brian
Title: Re: Apparatus Lettering
Post by: Box 2565 on June 21, 2009, 02:34:05 PM
Shown in the photo is the Native American Chief which was painted on to scores of Seagrave rigs.
Title: Apparatus Lettering
Post by: Box 2565 on July 05, 2009, 01:21:49 AM
Lettering on a 1941 Seagrave aerial that was in use at Newport, Rhode Island.
Steve Hagy photos.
Title: Re: Apparatus Lettering
Post by: Box 2565 on July 20, 2009, 06:37:12 PM
The first two pictures show lettering on a 700 series ALF from North Vernon, Indiana.  The Gilcrest door is a 1950 or so Central on a Ford chassis.
Steve Hagy photos.
Title: Re: Apparatus Lettering
Post by: Box 2565 on January 23, 2010, 01:08:23 AM
When I last visited Roanoke in the summer of 2005 the R.F.D. was operating a 1972 IH/Oren as a tanker out of Station #10 (airport).  The door was nice decorated but starting to show a little age.
Title: Re: Apparatus Lettering
Post by: Box 2565 on September 22, 2011, 02:24:42 AM
Lettering from some of the Ahrens-Fox apparatus present at the Fire Museum of Maryland's show from May of this year.
United No. 3 - Frederick MD
Cumberland Fire Co. - Carlisle PA
Steve Hagy photos.
Title: Re: Apparatus Lettering
Post by: Box 2565 on September 26, 2011, 02:29:36 AM
#1 - Nice looking lettering with blue shading on this FWD/Pierce snorkel from Steger, Illinois.
#2 - Unfortunately most of the gold leaf has come off in the intricate lettering on the door of this Ward LaFrance.
#3 - Water Tower 3 (Seagrave) from the Chicago F.D. (Needs a little work).
Steve Hagy photos.
Title: Re: Apparatus Lettering
Post by: eman57 on April 02, 2012, 11:05:54 PM
This goose is on a 1930 Seagrave city service ladder that was originally purchased by Upper Nyack, New York and was later sold to Cooperstown.  I wonder if any Hall of Famers ever rode on this gem?
Steve Hagy photo.

I know someone that actually learned how to drive on this truck!
Title: Re: Apparatus Lettering
Post by: Box 2565 on June 17, 2013, 02:51:11 AM
Gibsonburg, Ohio
1956 American LaFrance
#L 5400
Steve Hagy photos.
Title: Re: Apparatus Lettering
Post by: Box 2565 on June 20, 2013, 04:18:39 AM
Canandaigua NY - 1937 Buffalo as restored.
Steve Hagy photos.
Title: Re: Apparatus Lettering
Post by: eman57 on August 21, 2013, 11:21:04 PM
This goose is on a 1930 Seagrave city service ladder that was originally purchased by Upper Nyack, New York and was later sold to Cooperstown.  I wonder if any Hall of Famers ever rode on this gem?
Steve Hagy photo.

Does anyone have any contact info for the owner of this truck?  I am working on possibly getting it for a parade coming up.
Title: Re: Apparatus Lettering
Post by: doverchief2 on August 22, 2013, 08:00:29 AM
In regard to lettering, I have noticed that if you run into a modern piece of apparatus with two tone shading (usually green, less frequently blue) you can almost always trace back to a point where the department had an Ahrens-Fox- other builders would occasionally shade this way, but by far it was most common with A-F.  Ditto the practice of plates with city officials listed, occasionally you see that on current pieces and it was common practice with A-F, probably as a sales tool.  As far as the ornamentation on early Seagrave (up to mid-thirties) apparatus, I have heard or read that some of the workers in Seagrave's lettering shop were German immigrants who had worked in the pottery decorating industry in their native land, which would make sense as the ornamentation on many Seagrave pieces was very floral and highly stylized, and the Seagrave plant is just down the road from Columbus' German Village neighborhood.  Of one thing there is no doubt, Seagrave definitely was more apt to put a lot of gold leaf decoration on their rigs.  In closing I would observe that the current practice of using vinyl or mylar lettering is fine, but design has utterly died as a result.  Lettering and decoration is now perfect, even, symmetrical and without quirks or flaws where ornamentation of years ago was done by hand and looked much better,mainly because it was done to satisfy the artist's eye, and if it was done by a good practitioner, with a good eye for design it ALWAYS looks better than computer cut & that is because what is technically correct and what is pleasing to the eye are often two different things when it comes to aesthetics.
Title: Re: Apparatus Lettering
Post by: photoman475 on August 23, 2013, 08:12:25 PM
Pirsch also used blue shading with gold leaf lettering into the late 1940s, perhaps the early 1950s.  That may have been their standard at the time, but I don't know that for certain.

I do know that unless otherwise specified, black shading was used from the late 1950s on for Pirsch.
Title: Re: Apparatus Lettering
Post by: Box 2565 on February 22, 2014, 01:47:08 AM
Mariemont OH
The carrillon that is in Mariemont is featured in the department logo.
Steve Hagy photo.
Title: Re: Apparatus Lettering
Post by: Box 2565 on February 28, 2014, 03:47:28 AM
Crestline, Ohio has the "Rescue Rat" on their rescue truck.
Steve Hagy photo.
Title: Re: Apparatus Lettering
Post by: photoman475 on February 28, 2014, 09:10:45 AM
And when was the last time you saw a bison on a fire truck?  This logo adorned Fargo Engine 803.  The rig had an engine fire and since been sold for salvage.  I don't know if the new E803 has been given this yet.

The logo is for the North Dakota State University Bison. the three-peat winners of the Division I FBS football championship game.  Engine 803 is first due on campus.
Title: Re: Apparatus Lettering
Post by: Box 2565 on March 18, 2014, 11:38:53 PM
Door seal used on Lansing, Michigan apparatus.
Steve Hagy photo.
Title: Re: Apparatus Lettering
Post by: Box 2565 on May 14, 2014, 03:39:17 AM
Ex-Ossining NY - Senate Hook & Ladder Co.
1963 Maxim Aerial
Steve Hagy photo.
Title: Re: Apparatus Lettering
Post by: Box 2565 on June 07, 2014, 10:05:41 PM
Howe fire apparatus used this style of gold lettering with black shading for many years.
Title: Re: Apparatus Lettering
Post by: Box 2565 on July 05, 2018, 07:08:51 PM
Ex-Monroe OH
1947 Chevrolet/Central
Original lettering from the driver's side door.
Steve Hagy photo.
Title: Re: Apparatus Lettering
Post by: fyrboy on July 05, 2018, 08:29:05 PM
Asheville, NC.  First is from their 2015 Pierce Squad 1, second is from 2018 KME E6 (same as KME E1 displayed at FDIC in April - another is due for E9 shortly), in tribute to the third, a Model 17 Gleason & Bailey hose wagon, delivered January 11, 1899 for $530, billed as "1000 pounds lighter than previous wagon; hose in layers, not on reel."  Sold to Seagrave representative in 1915.
Title: Re: Apparatus Lettering
Post by: Box 2565 on July 06, 2018, 01:47:14 PM
Asheville, NC.  First is from their 2015 Pierce Squad 1, second is from 2018 KME E6 (same as KME E1 displayed at FDIC in April - another is due for E9 shortly), in tribute to the third, a Model 17 Gleason & Bailey hose wagon, delivered January 11, 1899 for $530, billed as "1000 pounds lighter than previous wagon; hose in layers, not on reel."  Sold to Seagrave representative in 1915.
I really like the way the lettering on the KME is in a bit of a wave.  A bit of a throwback to the 1800's!
Title: Re: Apparatus Lettering
Post by: bulldogboy on July 13, 2018, 10:12:14 PM

           Nashua, NH Fire Rescue, Deputy's vehicle, 2018 Ford F-150, has this patch on the back.

                                   bulldogboy