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Title: Layman Mutual Aid Question
Post by: mackcffan2014 on June 28, 2014, 05:46:26 PM
As the title says, this is really a layman's question, but I think it's at least a decent one. I think I've asked worse. hahaha

There are a lot of housing developments around here with winding, confusing driveways, roundabouts and dead ends. There are generally dozens of houses or apartments. It's easy to get lost in there if you don't live there. How would this be handled mutual aid wise? Do almost all departments and apparatus have GPS now? Are there developments or other landmarks in other department's coverage areas that new firefighters are expected to learn? Would they be expected to learn it on their own time?
Or are there so few mutual aid calls at the type of place I described that the department can "just figure it out" when it happens for lack of a better word?
Title: Re: Layman Mutual Aid Question
Post by: paulromano on June 28, 2014, 10:05:53 PM
I don't know about the status of GPS on the apparatus but there are several methods of getting mutual aid apparatus to an incident:

1.  Tell them to head for the column of smoke (sorry, couldn't resist that)
2.  The dispatcher for the community they are going to can give them radio directions.
3.  If they are responding from a cover assignment, most times they have a pilot (firefighter from the receiving community that rides the mutual
    aid apparatus to give directions and guidance (locations of knox boxes, hydrants etc. etc.)
4.  We have asked police cruisers to meet a mutual aid company at the town line and take them into the incident location.  That method has also been
     used by a firefighter in a pickup or car meeting them at the town line and taking them in.
5.  I am sure that a lot of directions come from Apps on cell phones, especially with their proliferation of use.
6.  When my task force covered in a large city some years ago during a funeral for six firefighters, every city firefighter was at the services.  The city
    assigned DPW workers in pickup trucks to accompany our companies to incidents for directions and scene guidance.
Title: Re: Layman Mutual Aid Question
Post by: mackcffan2014 on June 28, 2014, 11:32:15 PM
I appreciate the thorough answer you gave me. Thank you for that! And I like hearing of inter-agency teamwork (the police car).
How could I forget cell phones though? That was dumb of me. I guess this means I'm not glued to mine. haha
Title: Re: Layman Mutual Aid Question
Post by: brucobuff on June 29, 2014, 10:39:20 AM
As the title says, this is really a layman's question, but I think it's at least a decent one. I think I've asked worse. hahaha

There are a lot of housing developments around here with winding, confusing driveways, roundabouts and dead ends. There are generally dozens of houses or apartments. It's easy to get lost in there if you don't live there. How would this be handled mutual aid wise? Do almost all departments and apparatus have GPS now? Are there developments or other landmarks in other department's coverage areas that new firefighters are expected to learn? Would they be expected to learn it on their own time?
Or are there so few mutual aid calls at the type of place I described that the department can "just figure it out" when it happens for lack of a better word?
The depts. that fail to pre-plan their potential responses to these places often find their mistakes caught on video and posted to sites such as the Fire Critic.com, or more notably; Statter911.com.
Title: Re: Layman Mutual Aid Question
Post by: START WATER on September 15, 2014, 08:17:02 PM
   some times  its  hard in big cities to  get to  a   extra alarm  assignmnt   my fd was  a  squrt
in a  331Sq mile  city  which also was  a  county,  the longest  run we  mad  was  71  blocks
on the  second alarm  in the 80's   we  had a map book  but we were suppose to know   the
city. .     
Title: Re: Layman Mutual Aid Question
Post by: Lebby on September 15, 2014, 11:28:49 PM
In PG we are supposed to be able to find a location in one our seven map books (spanning three counties), the average "gas station" maps or Howard County Fire Rescue's map book with in 1:30 from the point of picking the right book. These maps books, except the "gas station's", contain such things as hydrant and station locations for us. It is the officer, who has the job of reading the directions to the Technician while we respond. When all else fails we have our Mobile Data Terminal which is rarely used. Then GPS..
Title: Re: Layman Mutual Aid Question
Post by: mackcffan2014 on September 21, 2014, 01:16:01 PM
   some times  its  hard in big cities to  get to  a   extra alarm  assignmnt   my fd was  a  squrt
in a  331Sq mile  city  which also was  a  county,  the longest  run we  mad  was  71  blocks
on the  second alarm  in the 80's   we  had a map book  but we were suppose to know   the
city. .     

How long did it take to go the 71 blocks? I bet that was a haul!!
Title: Re: Layman Mutual Aid Question
Post by: START WATER on January 30, 2015, 05:13:57 PM
         I HAVE  NO IDE HOW LONG IT TOOK  NOW  . BUT IT DIDN'T SEEM TO BE  THAT LONG
MY GUESS IS  ABOUT 20 MINUTES.   IT WAS AFTER DARK, AND NOT MUCH TRAFFIC  WE HAHD TO  GET   REAL  SLOW AT  RED LIGHTS  BUT THE ATREETA WE USED  WERE   RATAHER WIDE  FOR A CITY  ON THE EAST COAST    WE  HAD RESPONDED TO MANY EXTRA ALARM FIRES 
OUT OF OUR RESPONSE  AREA  AND  WE  SORT OF KNEW  THE   DIFERENT AREAS

THE OFFICERS ROTATE STATIONS  EVERY THREE YEARS   AND FIREFIGHTERS GET SENT TO DIFFERENT  STATIONS  OR DETAILED     SO  YOU SORT OF  LEARN   THE AREAS .
Title: Re: Layman Mutual Aid Question
Post by: mackcffan2014 on January 31, 2015, 12:23:06 AM
Gotcha. Never know what the day will bring, huh?
Title: Re: Layman Mutual Aid Question
Post by: START WATER on March 12, 2015, 05:29:12 PM
       THAT CORRECT   HAVE TRUCK WILL RESPOND   THE  NE AREA  IS  HARD TO KNOW  WHERE RDS  GO  MANY AREAS  HAVE DEAD EBD STREETS  M OR CIRCLE  STREETS THAT CHANGE  NAMES AND ADDRESS  THREE TIMES

I WOULD MUCH  RATHER WORK WHERE STREETS  RUN BY NUMBER

PHILLY HAS  1132 SQ MILES  WITH TWO RIVERS   SO AGAIN YOU NEED TO KNOW THE BRIDGES  . SUBWAY ENTRANCES