wfd apparatus

[FAO25]

It looks to me like a colorized and airbrushed (pre-digital photoshopping) picture. If I look through the rear window it looks like a second booster reel. Also the Booster reel above the pump panel is up against the body not centered as is common with single reel mountings. It looks to me like the Roto-Ray is not centered in the roof and was added by whoever did the colorization. It could have been on a vehicle behind this one that was airbrushed out. And what is the reb blob behind it. Again it looks like a poorly edited photo. I have found this colorization was common at one time in apparatus ads.  Like the attached pic.

[jk]

I added a "real" photo of the "real" truck to subforum "fire department profiles - Ohio -Warren..." you will find it there  without ... roto-ray !

[FAO25]

Look what I found in my files. Could it be? I have not edited the image to remove anything.

[boardmansteve]

Not to stick my nose in where it does not belong, but....

1. It looks like an artist's rendering vs a picture - aka photograph to me
2. I can see only one booster reel on this rig
3. I see 4 red lenses on the Roto-Ray

There is a pair of warning lights on the roof, one on each side of the Roto-Ray; only one of them got colorized, so it appears that the R-R has four lights.

[wfd44]

Wed July 21 2010 at Central Station Warren Ohio 900am Pierce Arrow xt rescue-pumper demo from Show at Sandusky sticker price 445k

Aftn circa 1-3 Eone Cyclone rescue-pumper demo rear mounted pump

all are invited to see what 2 major vendors have for sale

[YARBFD10]

Not to sound too negative, but why is the WFD looking at new apparatus?  There are 11 or so FF laid off, and 2 of 3 stations are closed.  Where does buying new rigs come into that equation?

 

If you have no firefighters to put on a new rig, what it the point of buying it?

[FAO25]

Not to sound too negative, but why is the WFD looking at new apparatus?  There are 11 or so FF laid off, and 2 of 3 stations are closed.  Where does buying new rigs come into that equation?

 

If you have no firefighters to put on a new rig, what it the point of buying it?

Because shiny, new fire trucks are a good distraction for the public.
Keeps them thinking they're protected.
Remember an uninformed consumer is the salesman's (in this case the politicians selling to the public) best friend.

[YARBFD10]

I don't think Warren residents are as mentally challenged as politicians believe they are.  My aunt actually called down to city hall and complained because the Atlantic St. fire station's grass had not been cut all summer.  She told them she knew the station was closed and that she knew the city still owned an operating lawnmower.  She told them that if they didn't cut it, she was going to pay her lawn service to cut the grass at the station.  Needless to say, a city vehicle was over there the next morning, and the grass was cut.

Not to mention also that city voters renewed a "Public Safety Tax" almost 2 years ago that would ensure that all 3 fire stations would remain open and that police and firefighter staffing levels were kept status quo.

If the politicians want to buy new fire apparatus, how about 3 new ALS units for the WFD.  Oh yeah and cancel the contracts with whoever is supposed to be providing the EMS service but can't!

[wfd44]

Saw both the Pierce and  Eone demoes yesterday. Seems like neither are a contender at this point for a new apparatus. Another Wisconsin firm is being looked at for that purpose at this time.

Laid-off Wfd ff Jeremy Rodgers suffered an enormous loss when  his house burned recently. WFD units responded from another call on the west side to the east side location to find a 2-1/2 frame fully involved on one side of the exterior wall all the way up to the attic. Damages at 38 k on the structure.

Apparatus replacement program has been on hold. New truck is to be a full rescue-pumper for use  from downtown station for citywide service.

[wfd44]

Sutphen proposal to WFD is circa $433k or so fully equipped as a rescue and a pumper.However the engine on this propsal is inadequate and a larger engine is desired that will affect the bottom line.

The Pierce Arrow XT demo is $445 bare.

The Eone rescue pumper on a Cyclone II with rear mount pump is circa 400K

No word from Seagrave to my knowledge.

Tomorrow a meeting regarding capital requests for Warren will reveal more....hopefully...stay tuned if you are interested....

[wfd44]

Every five years the City of Warren invests in its infrastructure and equipment by means of a municipal bond issue which attracts well-off investors desiring a secure and reasonable return on their investments. The WFD has been granted a generous sum to address needs in both of the above categories. Firstly a new fire vehicle. Only those vendors that are contracted with the Ohio State Cooperative Purchasing will be considered.
Thus it is planned that over the next month the candidates that meet the aforementioned criteria will be invited to bring their latest and best offerings to be inspected by uniformed officers and rank and file members of the WFD to determine which of these best suits the needs at hand for a combination pumper and rescue unit.
Additionally significant upgrades to two fire stations are included. Firstly the central station will receive a state-of-the-art upgrade in all windows ;the aforementioned being replaced in their entirety and a brand new water-proof roof. The current facility is now 40 years of age and has not seen any major improvements in these areas during its entire life span hitherto.
Lastly the substation on Parkman Rd will receive emergency remedial correction to its structural integrity necessitated by the storage of heavy vehicles in excess of the weight-bearing capabilty of the present apparatus floor which has been slowly degrading such that it is feared that the Warren Gun Club which resides downstairs below the apparatus room could prospectively receive an unexpested visit from WFD above if the heavy rescue unit were too heavy and decided to ''drop in'' for a visit.

[YARBFD10]

Will this new apparatus replace the 1992 E-One Cyclone or 1997 E-One Hush in front line service?  I drove by Central a couple weeks ago and saw the line up as the 97 Squad, the newer quint, and the 92 cyclone.  How I pine for the days of having eng 1, sqd 1, lad 3, & lad 2 in there.  Ah the good old days! 

How is the WFD operating the current apparatus after the layoffs and station closures?

Is it feasible to keep both the 1992 platform & the 1997 rescue if neither are being used and the staffing is not available to run them?

Does the city have a plan to return staffing to previous levels?

I also saw the the 1984 Duplex/FMC rig is now for sale on W.Market St.  Wasn't it donated to the career center?

[START WATER]

    in many staes  there are grants  available  for  instate  built  apparatus  pa  has a few  but  many kmes  are running from stations

Philly has  8 co's closed  and now starting brown outs. Phila  sells  bnonds  for  capital improvments   not for  people  ,its just like the  repair shop that works on fire trucks  now also works on police  cars
its a different department  the apparatus officer does  talk with the shop boss  , but  has  no authority

also the pfd  has a good  idea  with bids  one builder builds  the trucks and  they give a 5 year warrenty   bumper to bumper   and that may be wahy seagrave  did not bid  philly or washington dc and did not win the rear ladder bid for fdny

i could care less  who anyone  buys  but  do a deep investigation to see how  short their capital is , and will they be around to fix  anything

i been in tis  apparatus  , stuff since 63  and seen them come and  go
like mack hann alf  and it goes on .    email is battlelamp @aol.com any questions   ask   start water

[wfd44]

new truck will be a replacement for the 1997 heavy rescue

[wfd44]

Eone is sorting thru a package deal involving a multiple order for WFD.
1] new stainless steel cyclone II rescue pumper to be built in the now eone owned former rd murray works in hamburg ny

2] an ocala built international 1250/970/30ff top mounted class A pumper

the above presumably within the alloted capital improvements budget

more news as it is reported