Aerial Apparatus of the YFD

[Box 2565]

In a situation where both aerial rigs are out of service (such as would have occurred when the accident with Truck 24 happened yesterday), does the YFD have any type of automatic aid for an aeria lto respond from another department?

[daysleeper47]

Well, as far asI know, the rig in the accident was Spare 1, acting as Ladder 24. So L22 is still in service. If they did both go out, YFD is up a creek as far as I know. They do have E7, which they would probably move to St. 1 and run city-wide. That would be a scary situation. I really just couldn't see them calling a ladder M/A... no jurisdiction has a ladder anywhere near city boudries. They have run E7 twice city wide as a ladder, in 1991 and 1995, accodring to YFD4.

[yfdgricker]

Actually, 24 was running with the spare pumper as the ladder still. Even if 24 had been damaged more, there still would have been the downtown Ladder 22 to cover citywide.

Youngstown doesn't have any automatic mutual aid plan now if such an event were to occur and it's hard to tell what they would do if such a situation arose.

[yfdgricker]

Of the surrounding area, Austintown has a ladder within easy reach of the West side via I80 and I680, so it could hit most of the city via the freeway fairly quickly. Youngstown once called Austintown for their extrication tools on I680 because S33 was committed at another extrication and E2 did not yet have a pair of jaws.

Girard and Liberty I believe both have ladders and could probably catch the north side.

Canfield and Boardman Can probably get the South and South West areas if needed.

I don't know about Campbell or Struthers, Evan or struthersboy can help on that one.  

[yfd4]

clarification....soon after the grumman ladder entered service as ladder 2 in 1992 at the new Indianola station 2 it went o-o-s and in its place came tqst 7....at a later time in 1995 the downtown station was essentially reduced to a single engine unit and the ladder 22 and squad 33 were moved to the west side sta at Belle Vista while engine 3 was closed although there was some talk of moving it to station 2. As a result of this repositioning all far east side runs were covered by engines 6-7-12 and LADDER 7 and Squad 33. Plans were to move engine 1 to sta 7 with Ladder 7 but the floor posed a problem there. The downtown station was going to become a police station when the county jail opened. Happily none of these ill-conceived schemes lasted .....yfd4

[yfd4]

So technically ladder 7 has never operated entirelly citywide but only as a south side ladder in 1992 in lieu of ladder 24.I dont believe it was called ladder 7 in 1992 but i think it was Engine 2. Also when it was running as Ladder 7 in 1995  it did so only on far east side runs where it would have been impractical to send ladder 22 all the way from the west side to the far east side when Ladder 7 was closer and not otherwise engaged since there were 3 other engines available to respond on the esat side....eng 1-6-12-s33 plus ladd 7....yfd4

[yfd4]

errata...I wrongly listed the east side engines as 6-7-12 plus ladder 7...should be engs 1-6-12 plus ladder 7....When NOT responding on the east side as Ladder7 the unit was simply Engine 7 in all other repsonses....confusing?...to say the least...but then that is the beauty of a telesqurt or quint...it can be all things to everyone!...yfd4

[struthersboy]

struthersboy in the house---well it does sound like the YFD would be up a creek without a ladder.  Austintown sounds good, along with Girard and Liberty, Liberty probably being the closest.  Don't count own us Struthers homeboys for a ladder--we ain't got it, unless you be looking for another fire-rescue to help out.  But what about Poland???  i know you didn't forget about them with their 100' aerial.  call on them a few times, i think the poor truck just sits in the garage with nothing to do.  Unless this is too far for the truck too come.  We all know what happens if a ladder truck drives a long distance right??  anything else guys??-peace, struthersboy

[daysleeper47]

Well, Liberty would be the best option for a ladder... except that they don't have one. Girard does, and it just sits there. It has only one box it automatically responds to, other than that, it sits around and looks pretty (ugly). But that is still a 15-min. drive once you talk YFD Chief to GFD Chief and get the guys in Girard to move thier squad outta the way and get that old truck on the road and down into Youngstown. It would have been 20 minutes for that truck to make it to the thing on Belle Vista last night. Plus, Girard lacks the manpower on duty to even staff it. They only run a 5-person shift I beleive... 2 on the squad and 3 on the engine. (for those of you confused, a squad is an ambulance, unlike in Youngstown, who I realized has had it wrong for so many years.   ) Other choices:
Poland: Too far
Austintown: The most realistic as it is somewhat close, fully manned, and a quick jump on I-80/680.
Canfield: Good for the far West Side, impractical everywhere else.
Hubbard: That would work for the East Side, but they are volunteer and I'm not sure if they have guys working shifts or respond on a per call basis.

Unlike most areas, Youngstown is not a big fan of the mutual aid system. We like to get things done our way by ourselves! Plus, we rarely need M/A Greg has told me of a time we needed a tanker from Coitsville to work down by the river, I think. He knows the story better than I.

[struthersboy]

sigh....can't we all just get along  too bad that things aren't close enough or that all departments have ladders.  Evan from campbell has told me they have an 85' aerial so i guess that could help on the East Side if needed, but its like Girard where it just sits and is pretty ugly (Sorry Evan it is!).  hey maybe the new Liberty fire chief will be willing to have Liberty by him a ladder truck, then he'd be able to help out Y-town again, right??  peace--struthersboy

[W8YSU]

AUSTINTOWN has 2 ladder trucks at the stations on the east side of their twp. as a matter of fact Aust. was called to assist YFD at the Livingston's Fire Downtown Several years ago. and YFD was one of the first Depts called in to Aust @ the Century 21 fire. Yfd sent a Box 5 response and Fire Control.....all trucks cleared quickly to go on an other box 5 on the south side.....except E-15  and old L-22...(I believe L-24 was O.O.S. that day) then an other box 5 for the east side came in and Campbell was called for mutual aid. and they sent their Eng and Ladder!!!!
Dean  

[Anonymous]

As far as ladder 7, when the heck did we EVER have ladder 7? NEVER. Maybe ladder 21 but that was years ago.

Hubbard would be a great choice for a ladder on the East side, however they don't own one.

We are of the mindset that we must only take care of our own.

[yfd4]

in regards to ladder 7 yfd
it did exist for a short time during 1995
when the previous yfd chief h cologne moved the ladder 22 and squad 33 from sta 1 to sta 3 in 1995 and shut down eng 3 and left eng 1 and batt 1 alone at sta 1 the squad made runs citywide from the west side sta at belle vista. the ladder 22 fron that location did NOT respond to alarms on the far east side
instead  the response on box 5s on the east side was eng 1-6-12 sq33 and LADDER 7 and
batt1
LADDER 7 was eng 7 acting as a ladder for the far east side
this was toned out over the radio as LADDER 7
this same unit was engine 7 when it operated elsewhere as an engine co with ladder 22
so...with all due respect i disagree
the experiment was terninated and engine 1 disbanded and ladder 22 and squad 33 returned to the no1 sta and eng 3 reorganized and ladder 7 passed into the annals of yfd history just as quietly as it had entered NEVER to be seen or heard of again
the present experiment with sta 3 running the tsqt is a reinstatement of a plan by h colgne who planned to relocate that unit to sta3 when it first opened for responses on the industrial salt springs commercial corrider
a new tsqt of 75ft reach is planned for the future and MAY be assigned NOT to the no7 sta as before but pending evaluation at sta 3 may be assigned to the west side permanently

[Anonymous]

Steve,
I have been assigned to sta 7 since 1987, I have NEVER been dispatched as Ladder 7. What you might be confusing is that before and directly after we recieved the squirt, we had 3 pumps and a chief to the FAR east side. This would be beyond Lansdowne. The line up was 12-6-7-31.   No squad, no ladder. Our truck was fitted with the extra large air cylinder rack so the out line stations did'nt have to go to ones for air. We asked Chief Oneill about the new 75ft truck, and he said he didnt know about length, but we should get it at 7's Most people in the dept. say all plans are on hold till they find some money. Later!

[yfd4]

with all DUE respect
i personally heard it toned out in 1995 by the female dispatcher as LADDER 7 along with engs 1-6-12 plus sq33 FROM station 3 while LADDER 22 at station 3 SAT tight and did not move because it was too far away from the east side to respond .

as to a new  75ft tsqt be advised that this is an industrial grade vehicle and normally tsqts are no more than 65ft

as to the intended location  of a new truck whether 7s or otherwise my source was in fact the same as you cited in your post