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almdoc

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Watch Desk Restoration for the Western Reserve Fire Museum
« on: September 28, 2011, 08:03:31 AM »
     This is a restoration project I am doing for the W.R.F.M. It is a City of Cleveland Fire Department watch desk. It was a mess when I got it and thanks to several other boards they still had I was able to put this one together. The plan is to restore several of these for the museum and sell one to raise funds for the central fire alarm office restoration. Cleveland used a Primary/Secondary alarm circuit set up. If you look closely this board has a very rare 2 circuit high speed "line" register. This register IS NOT a non-pareil register as it operates on the 100mil telegraph circuit. This board has a FA relay, switches, tap bell and sounder. The rest of the boards I am restoring have a retrofit tap bell in place of the sounder and a telegraph key. The retrofit tap bell is almost identical to the original tap bell so the board will actually have two "captains" tap bells on them. The board that will be auctioned is the latter with two tap bells a telegraph key. In later years the 2 circuit register was replaced by a standard single circuit register on the secondary circuit. The plan is to have it ready by Allentown 2012. I will auction it by sealed bid at my flea market space. There will be a minimum bid yet to be determined and ALL proceeds will go to the W.R.F.M. Stay tuned !!

http://s1031.photobucket.com/albums/y373/almdoc41/?action=view&current=WatchDesk003.mp4
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Re: Watch Desk Restoration for the Western Reserve Fire Museum
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2011, 08:56:55 AM »
Nicely done, Tom!!!!! Loved your videos and pictures.
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Re: Watch Desk Restoration for the Western Reserve Fire Museum
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2011, 09:41:05 AM »
Here is what they looked like when I started. These are the versions with 2 tap bells and telegraph key. The other pictures are of the 2 circuit line register.

http://i1031.photobucket.com/albums/y373/almdoc41/2CircuitLineRegister001.jpg
http://i1031.photobucket.com/albums/y373/almdoc41/2CircuitLineRegister002.jpg
http://i1031.photobucket.com/albums/y373/almdoc41/2CircuitLineRegister005.jpg
http://i1031.photobucket.com/albums/y373/almdoc41/2CircuitLineRegister003.jpg
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Re: Watch Desk Restoration for the Western Reserve Fire Museum
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2011, 09:59:54 AM »
Nice work Tom, it looks great!
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Re: Watch Desk Restoration for the Western Reserve Fire Museum
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2011, 05:20:53 PM »
Tom, could you give a few more details about the primary/secondary alarm circuits....it sounds unique.  Why two circuits?  How did they interact?  How did the boxes interface with the two circuits?
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Re: Watch Desk Restoration for the Western Reserve Fire Museum
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2011, 08:52:34 AM »
Actually Primary/Secondary systems were used in most big cities. Gamewell classified them as Type A manual systems. They required a central office with 24 hr operators who received and retransmitted alarms manually using transmitters. The systems you and I are used to seeing are the Type B or automatic systems that use a repeater. You have to remember before radio the telegraph system was used for communication between the C.O. and the fire houses. It was used for the same things we do with a phone. i.e. we need coal for the steamer or station furnace, we need hay for the horses, send maintainance and etc. A second factor in the Primary/Secondary system is battery power. In a larger city you have a great number of stations. The battery power required to maintain 100mils would be great if you consider all the recording and sounding devise coils that would in the circuit. At 2 volts per battery x2 you could imagine what the size of the battery room would have to be. The secondary circuit allowed a local battery in each station to power the station alarm equipment. Redundancy was another reason. Two ways to get alarms to the firehouses. As you can see form the illustration below the boxes are on circuits alone and the stations are on "alarm circuits" The description in the earlier Gamewell catalogs of a Type A system is this "The arrangemnet is such that alarms may be received from any or all circuits simultaniously, announced and recorded, without possibility of confusion or interference. Generally alrms are transmitted manually, by operators, to the fire stations over primary alarm circuits and confirmed over secondary circuits." I'm still researching this myself as every cities system had some unique characteristics. I will be going to Cleveland soon to deliver one of their watchdesks and will have full access to records and schematics of their system. I hopr to learn more then.

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Re: Watch Desk Restoration for the Western Reserve Fire Museum
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2011, 08:47:54 PM »
Quote from: almdoc on September 29, 2011, 08:52:34 AM
Actually Primary/Secondary systems were used in most big cities. Gamewell classified them as Type A manual systems. They required a central office with 24 hr operators who received and retransmitted alarms manually using transmitters. The systems you and I are used to seeing are the Type B or automatic systems that use a repeater. You have to remember before radio the telegraph system was used for communication between the C.O. and the fire houses. It was used for the same things we do with a phone. i.e. we need coal for the steamer or station furnace, we need hay for the horses, send maintainance and etc. A second factor in the Primary/Secondary system is battery power. In a larger city you have a great number of stations. The battery power required to maintain 100mils would be great if you consider all the recording and sounding devise coils that would in the circuit. At 2 volts per battery x2 you could imagine what the size of the battery room would have to be. The secondary circuit allowed a local battery in each station to power the station alarm equipment. Redundancy was another reason. Two ways to get alarms to the firehouses. As you can see form the illustration below the boxes are on circuits alone and the stations are on "alarm circuits" The description in the earlier Gamewell catalogs of a Type A system is this "The arrangemnet is such that alarms may be received from any or all circuits simultaniously, announced and recorded, without possibility of confusion or interference. Generally alrms are transmitted manually, by operators, to the fire stations over primary alarm circuits and confirmed over secondary circuits." I'm still researching this myself as every cities system had some unique characteristics. I will be going to Cleveland soon to deliver one of their watchdesks and will have full access to records and schematics of their system. I hopr to learn more then.
The system was not limited to the fire stations. After the advent of the Two Platoon System many if not most departments required off duty members to come back on multiple alarms. There was a heavy penalty for members who did not report. Often members would have tappers installed in their private homes. This was common also for Chief Officers. Other places with tappers, gongs and/or registers were, the water department, the police station, the offices of the local newspaper, and the club rooms of "Gentleman's Clubs". No, not what we think of today when we think of Gentleman's Clubs. Think of the club in the movie "Trading Places" with Dan Akroyd and Eddie Murphy. Also remember that they would be hooked into tower bells and steam whistles on factories as the fire alarm system would be used to call out the police or highway departments or sound no school signals. Contrary to popular legend and claims of our parents, occaisonally it did happen.
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